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hinmo
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Initially Posted - 03/23/2010 : 17:00:36

After previous discussions on this forum, and talking to CD direct, I still have a couple concerns about buying a replacement rudder.

Setting the stage, I am in 15kts winds, 3-5 ft chop most the time. I have the orig rudder which I patched up last year.

CD-Direct tech support doesn't think I need the blue water rudder. He says the balanced and the HDPE are both new designs and will act similar (better than the original). The balanced being a fiberglass over foam core while the HDPE being solid plastic. He stated the HDPE only had one problem that he knew of (more reported here?)

I am leaning towards the HDPE. I would have to drill the pintle and tiller connections. Anybody done this? Any problems lining up the pintle holes?

Does anyone recommend the balanced over the HDPE?

Thanks - sorry for the repetition and overkill...I am just nervous about this decision

"Kukla" '83 FK,SR

Edited by - hinmo on 03/23/2010 17:02:16

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/23/2010 : 18:58:47

If you buy the HDPE from [url="http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=688"]IdaSailor[/url] directly the price includes the pintles and they mount the pintles.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 03/23/2010 19:02:06

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Response Posted - 03/23/2010 : 22:27:08

Nice - real nice. But is that one the HDPE? It doesnt say that in the ad.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2010 : 08:27:56

John, I disagree with the CD tech... If anybody in this world needs the blue-water (thicker HDPE) blade over the thinner one, it's you! Buzzard's Bay chop is just the thing that breaks rudders. When the boat is heeled and pitching fore-and-aft, there are major stresses on the blade that try to break it at the lower pintle. There have been a few (?) reports here of broken HDPE rudders, but I don't think any were the newer BW version. I also haven't heard of any fiberglass balanced rudders breaking--mine was great! Getting the pintles aligned just right was tricky.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2010 : 09:32:52

I have the fiberglass balanced rudder. it is very strong and mine has taken more of a beating than most rudders will in the lifetime of the boat. I believe the tiller would break before the rudder.

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Response Posted - 03/24/2010 : 15:50:53

Darn - back to the drawing board!

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Response Posted - 03/24/2010 : 20:18:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hinmo
 Nice - real nice. But is that one the HDPE? It doesnt say that in the ad.
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All IdaSailor rudders are HDPE. It is their specialty. Here is their [url="http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=479"]Blue Water[/url] version for the C25.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 03/24/2010 20:20:58

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Response Posted - 03/24/2010 : 21:55:02

That's what CD is selling (in addition to the OEM fiberglass balanced rudder Catalina started using in something like 1987). Just looking at them, the Ida rudders are much less balanced than the OEM version.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 03/24/2010 21:57:06

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Response Posted - 03/25/2010 : 00:03:57

yikes....now we're over $1K for a new rudder.

Folks - since I drive Kukla real easy (headsail is a 110 and if its over 15kts, I run her without a main) do you not think a new OEM rudder would suffice?

Is it the consensus that the new OEM may be tougher than the HDPE? CD did mention shipping issues with the OEM as it takes an additonal $50 crate cost and does occasionally chip/crack/damage during shipping.

AARRGGHH....too many choices-decisions, and/or money !!

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Response Posted - 03/25/2010 : 06:42:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hinmo
 yikes....now we're over $1K for a new rudder.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Why?
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Folks - since I drive Kukla real easy (headsail is a 110 and if its over 15kts, I run her without a main) do you not think a new OEM rudder would suffice?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It might be better.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is it the consensus that the new OEM may be tougher than the HDPE?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">"May" is he operative word. Jim and I and others have had no problems I've heard of. Mine went through some heavy Long Island Sound chop. HDPE doesn't bend--it snaps. King Starboard comes with warnings...
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">AARRGGHH....too many choices-decisions, and/or money !!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">B.O.A.T... Break Out Another Thousand.

You'll love the handling with the new OEM rudder!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 03/25/2010 06:48:25

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Response Posted - 03/25/2010 : 07:28:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">if its over 15kts, I run her without a main<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Why?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I have the fiberglass balanced rudder. it is very strong and mine has taken more of a beating than most rudders will in the lifetime of the boat. I believe the tiller would break before the rudder.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Whatever Jim B says, I go with, period.

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Response Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:25:05

Hap - I think you are advocating the OEM balanced...correct?

As far as why only the headsail when over 15 kts:
1) I am always with the Admiral who likes to take it easy
2) it moves along quite well in 15+ with only the 110 (whats 4.5 kts vs 6 kts?...slower vs slow!)
3) I am never going anywhere...seriously, just relaxing
4) too lazy to reef the main
5) Potential lack of confidence with my rigging

Edited by - hinmo on 03/25/2010 09:28:15

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Response Posted - 03/25/2010 : 13:03:21

I'd go with the Catalina balanced rudder. That's what I'm doing with my C250. Price is way under $1k.

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