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JudOWNED
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Initially Posted - 04/28/2010 : 11:46:11

In addition to the fixing/maintainenance I'm doing to the working parts of the boat, we also have plans to make it pretty. Now, aside from the bottom paint, are there other places on the boat that can be painted just for aesthetics? Can you paint the deck? The cockpit? The interior? I assume that the hull above the waterline simply is cared for by maintaining/restoring the gelcoat and whatnot. Or can you paint that too?

And if you can paint any of those places, what type of paint do you need?

Thanks, fellas.

Matt W.
1983 C25 SR/SK
Monroe Harbor Marina
Sanford, FL.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 04/28/2010 : 12:14:25

Painting the hull and deck means painting again in the future. If the gelcoat is is just oxidized you are better off rubbing it out (gently) and waxing or Polyglow. The interior gelcoat could be painted with marine enamel, but most of us are happy with attractive cushions, curtains and oil on the wood. Mr. Clean Magic Erasers take nearly any marks and smudges of the gelcoat.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 04/28/2010 : 12:51:33

Matt, the answer to all of your questions is an unequivocal yes. All those things can be painted.

The question you didn't ask is: Will I regret it later? Unfortunately, the answer to that is also an unequivocal yes!

There are a few examples of very nice paint jobs in the archives but, even those will someday chip, fade and wear away leaving a worse look than before the paint job.

Somebody has actually re-gelcoated (is that a word?) their hull. That's a lot of work but the results look terrific.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 04/28/2010 : 20:48:14

I just re-applied poliglow on the hull above waterline and below the gunwales. It was very quick (maybe 4 hours prep and 2 hours re-applcation).

I'm thinking of using it on my cockpit, topsides and cabin-top (not including the anti-skid) to make them lustrous once again.

While you need to de-oxydize the old gelcoat, you really can't do better than poliglow or vertglas.

I painted my old daysailer with polyurethane paint. It looked great for a few years, but that's when the unending touch ups began.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/29/2010 : 03:29:33

In the long run (and if done right) you will spend less time maintaining gel coat than paint and most probably have more attractive results.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 04/29/2010 : 03:42:26

I also have used poliglow on the sides with very good results lasting a year and then only having minor areas that had to be addressed with something stronger than a wash before applying 2 addl poliglow coats annually. However, at least for me, I did not like the results of using poliglow in the cockpit. That area I found that after removing the oxidation/previous application, I then put on pure wax and at as long as I keep after it like re-waxing with a cloth every 1 1/2-2 months months or so, it is fairly easy to do the cockpit.

I keep my boat in the water all year and so the poliglow is the best bang for the buck and maintenance time for the sides. The cockpit is easier to do even with wax since the areas are ergonomically easier to access sitting in the cockpit and so as long as I can keep at it frequently, I can usually get away with washing the cockpit, then perhaps removing some water stains, etc with black streak cleaner and not having to address oxidation issues which would be the case with waxing if you don't attend to it the re-waxing frequently.

The most important step whatever you do is removing the oxidation to begin with. Poliglow has a poliprep that is usually prettty good in removing the oxidation. But whatever you use, it is a bear removing the oxidation adequately before then treating the sides or cockpit areas. Once oxidation is removed, you want to try and use an application that works best for you that keeps the hull and cockpit looking good and not having to do a massive axidation cleaning again. Some of these newer coatings such as Vertiglas and poliglow help avoid having to work oxidation issues mid-season and usually are adequate for a whole year and then re-application may only require a few areas that need something more than just washing the boat first. Black streak cleaner is very good at removing the dark stains usually caused by water runoff from the deck.

As far as the non-skid areas of the deck, as was said earlier, i would avoid at all costs repainting that area. My concern would be that repainting would take a lot of effort in prep time and application and then it will look great until you start to get paint chips, etc and then ...well it won't look so good anymore. Better to use a scrub brush and one of the non-skid cleaners that will also shine it up a bit while maintaining a non-skid surface which they are designed to do. There have been past discussions on these non-skid cleaners. There are 3 main cleaners/waxes available. I know that I have commented on them - One is a West marine/Starbrite product, then there is an Aurora product. Both I have used. I forget the name of the third one but it costs something like the price of gold for a bottle of it compared to the other two products. the West marine/Starbrite product is okay and is the cheapest. Whatever you use, you need a lot of it since it goes pretty quick out of the bottle. The West marine/Starbrite product foams up as you use it. All three were also rated by Practical sailor and I believe they alos recommended the West Marine/Starbrite product because it was a lot cheaperr based on quantity of product needed to do the whole deck surface. The thing is that none of the 3 products will really restore the deck to a new finish but....personally, painting the deck surface is just something I would not want to do. perhaps, if I looked into it more, I would reconsider. But as it is right now, my deck is in pretty good shape and the other products discussed for the hull and coskpit do a pretty good job to make the the boat sort of look new.

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JudOWNED
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Response Posted - 04/29/2010 : 05:40:20

Lot to digest in all this, but I am reading you all loud and clear that painting is not a good option.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/29/2010 : 08:22:29

Poliglow is a good option for the hull on an older boat, but I agree it's not what you want on deck or in the cockpit. It's tough and hard, easy to apply, takes abuse for a full season, and looks great from five feet away--not so much "up close and personal."

Some alternatives are 3-M Fiberglass Restorer (if you have light oxidation), or compounding (light- or medium-duty) of heavier chalking followed by either Starbright PTEF liquid polish or Collinite liquid Insulator Wax (rated by Practical Sailor as better than their Fleetwax, which is very good!) All are rub-on, wipe-off solutions that should look good and make cleanups easier all season. I've used the Collinite and the Starbright on my hull, and water beaded up on the glossy surface a year later when I cleaned and re-applied. Just keep them off your non-skid surfaces... For those, I use Starbright Deck Cleaner with PTEF--splash and scrub on with a deck brush and rinse off.

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 04/30/2010 : 08:37:49

Painting is the final option, but we should note that sometimes--even if rarely--it is the only practical option other than re-gel coating, which I am just unwilling to attempt. I painted this boat (1979) five years ago as a last resort. The hull still looks fine. The deck needs a little touch up here and there, but largely because of the stripper which I bought from Semco a couple of years ago. That stuff is CAUSTIC to paint.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/30/2010 : 10:14:20

Things you can do with an ellipsis:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by crcalhoon
 The deck needs a little touch up here and there, but largely because of the stripper which I bought ...a couple of years ago. That stuff is CAUSTIC ...
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If the boat sails well, don't worry about the aesthetics. Learn how to sail her and spend your time doing that.

Other than that +1 to all of what Bristle (stinkpotter) recommended. I've used most of those products in the past

and +1 to John Russels - You'll regret it when you do paint.

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gracer
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Response Posted - 05/03/2010 : 12:54:01

Does anyone know what type of paint is used to paint names on boats. I'm considering have my brother-in-law (an artist) paint a design maybe a turtle or a frog.

Thanks

Bob

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