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cks
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Initially Posted - 05/03/2010 : 18:20:31

i just installed a double deck organizer and rope clutch with intent to lead my main halyard and reefing line aft. i am debating as to whether a winch is needed to raise my main. any advice? do i need to get something like a lewmar 7 or would something like this do?:

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=13994&familyName=Forespar+Marelon+Winch

When i used to go forward to raise the main, there was very little resistance when it went up. If the winch isn't needed, i'd rather spend my bucks/time on other things. thanks.

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Response Posted - 05/03/2010 : 18:40:21

The more turns you introduce into the halyard line leading it aft, the more friction you introduce. You can get lots more leverage at the mast than in the cockpit. Why not do as many of us have done, and relocate the halyard winch from the mast to the cabin top?

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Response Posted - 05/03/2010 : 18:51:27

Thanks E.C. I need my mast winch to raise my jib on the furler- i definitely cannot get the last couple of feet up on the furler without the winch.

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Response Posted - 05/03/2010 : 18:58:53

Last week I re-lubed my mainsail slides again with some Sailkote, and the main went up and down very easily, as usual. I've never needed the cabin top winch to raise the main.

Before I hoist the main, though, I need to remember is to release the vang, the mainsheet, the pigtail, the sail ties, the jiffy reefing line wrapped around the boom, and the little reefing ties, each of which holds the sail down or makes me start over.

But when everything's ready, the sail itself goes up like "greased lightning."

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Response Posted - 05/03/2010 : 20:07:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cks
 ...I need my mast winch to raise my jib on the furler- i definitely cannot get the last couple of feet up on the furler without the winch.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You could temporarily run the jib halyard back to the winch to get the last few feet, and then "un-lead" it when you're done. That's just once a season, right?

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Response Posted - 05/03/2010 : 21:46:20

I have triples on both sides and a winch on the Port cabin top where the main halyard, reef and topping lift runs, I rarely use it.
I raise the main head to wind and use "fast track" on the slot each year.
The main goes up fast and easy with just side to side pulls.
I have used the winch to stretch the main under heavy air conditions when I wanted to "iron" out the wrinkles, but that is a rare moment.

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Response Posted - 05/04/2010 : 05:49:16

I have a winch on either side of the cabin top at the cockpit, rarely use a handle but sail shape suffers I think, especially in any kind of blow.

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Response Posted - 05/04/2010 : 16:42:45

My winch is in my parts box. I run up the main and tension it with a 3:1 down haul on the gooseneck, but even that is not usually necessary.

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Response Posted - 05/04/2010 : 17:43:46

we use the cabin top winch when in heavy air...

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islander
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Response Posted - 05/05/2010 : 15:35:59

I can get the main up by hand but I use the cabin top winch to get the wrinkles out of the luff usually a half turn or so will do it. I have two Lewmar 6 on the cabin top.

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Response Posted - 05/05/2010 : 17:23:59

winch is needed, if you want the sail to set flat. Especially after it stretches a little.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2010 : 10:25:28

You can use the process of getting that last few inches out of the main halyard that uses one person at the mast and another at the halyard terminus (cleat, rope clutch, winch, etc) The person at the terminus keeps a tension on the line. The person at the mast pulls OUT and down on the halyard from the mast. When this produces some slack, the person at the terminus takes it up. (Huffing the halyard ??) Even so, this is damn difficult without a winch.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2010 : 11:41:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JohnP
 Last week I re-lubed my mainsail slides again with some

Before I hoist the main, though, I need to remember is to release the vang, the mainsheet, the pigtail, the sail ties, the jiffy reefing line wrapped around the boom, and the little reefing ties, each of which holds the sail down or makes me start over.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Don't forget to take off your sailcover too. :-)

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 05/08/2010 : 13:53:09

It's called a cunningham to get the luff tensioned after hoisting.

It's call "jumping" the halyard doing the acrobatics described.

We had a hanked on jib with the halyard led aft, used a winch on the port side for that. The winch was one of the old single speed "plastic" (non-metal) ones - don' know if they still sell them. Never needed a winch for the main.

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Response Posted - 05/08/2010 : 19:46:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It's called a cunningham to get the luff tensioned after hoisting.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Sorry, I must be getting lax in my old age. Using proper names keeps things clear.

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