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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 09:16:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 [...My guest would have no way of knowing that the rule was adopted just for him, and just for that day.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...unless he Googles you!

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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 09:56:52

Interesting question. I'll bet that some of the crew was feeling some anxiety and had developed some alcoholic coping mechanisms- hence the need to pop the cork. Feelings about alcohol, it's use and abuse are bound to run strong. My sense is that you can say pretty much anything you like as long as you do it in the manner of Lord Nelson, calm, cool, engaged- no matter what the circumstances.

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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 10:15:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ruachwrights
 Interesting question. My sense is that you can say pretty much anything you like as long as you do it in the manner of Lord Nelson.
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England expects that every man shall have one hand for the ship and the other hand for his grog. Or something like that

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redviking
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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 10:29:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by glen
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ruachwrights
 Interesting question. My sense is that you can say pretty much anything you like as long as you do it in the manner of Lord Nelson.
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England expects that every man shall have one hand for the ship and the other hand for his grog. Or something like that
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Not anymore! The Brits decided to end the daily rations of grog.

Enlistment dropped off right after that!

sten

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 10:30:32

I don't have a drinking problem. I can do it quite well.

I could probably down a 6 pack and be fine navigating in decent wind. Another friend could have 1 or 2. And another I wouldn't trust with any. Hard to give advice if you don't know the friends or their drinking habits. But to cut off drinking completely on a boat? Blasphemy! lol

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glen
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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 11:33:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
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England expects that every man shall have one hand for the ship and the other hand for his grog. Or something like that
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Not anymore! The Brits decided to end the daily rations of grog.

Enlistment dropped off right after that!

sten
[/quote]So much for the Limeys. I think I’ll look into the Swedish Navy

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JudOWNED
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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 11:43:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">England expects that every man shall have one hand for the ship and the other hand for his grog. Or something like that
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Giving rise to the phrase, "Drunk, even by Naval standards."

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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 12:58:07

Here's a little-known bit of naval history vis-a-vis the importance of alcohol to crew morale:

The U. S. S. Constitution (Old Ironsides), as a combat vessel, carried 48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last six months of sustained operations at sea. She carried no evaporators (i.e. fresh water distillers).

However, let it be noted that according to her ship's log, "On July 27, 1798, the U.S.S. Constitution sailed from Boston with a full complement of 475 officers and men, 48,600 gallons of fresh water, 7,400 cannon shot, 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum."

Her mission: "To destroy and harass English shipping.."

Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum.

Then she headed for the Azores , arriving there 12 November. She provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine.

On 18 November, she set sail for England . In the ensuing days she defeated five British men-of-war and captured and scuttled 12 English merchant ships, salvaging only the rum aboard each.

By 26 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Nevertheless, although unarmed she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde in Scotland . Her landing party captured a whisky distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons of single malt Scotch aboard by dawn. Then she headed home.

The U. S. S. Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799, with no cannon shot, no food, no powder, no rum, no wine, no whisky, and 38,600 gallons of water.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/20/2010 : 15:02:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by windsong
 ...The U. S. S. Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799, with no cannon shot, no food, no powder, no rum, no wine, no whisky, and 38,600 gallons of water.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I figure that's about four gallons of hootch a day per man (swagging the amount captured), and 12 ounces of water (not including any evaporation). No wonder everyone died by age 30-35.

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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 05:38:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> quote:Originally posted by britinusa When I get in my car, I make the decision that I will stop at every amber light! That way, when I see an amber light, I don't waste time making the decision, I just stop. Using that concept on the boat. If you come sail with us (Peggy & I) then we will brief you beforehand: Rule #1 Nothing goes overboard without our permission - We're responsible, and we want to do the right thing. Rule #2 No peeing over the side! end of chat! See Rule #1 Rule #3 Wipe down the porta pottie after use, everyone onboard knows who was the last to use it, clean up your own carp. Rule #4 Lifejackets are not optional - they are required, so if you want to be comfortable bring your own inflatable - you are responsible for it. Rule #5 If the boat is not secured with a line (mooring, anchor or dock) then the bar is off limits. Rule #6 If the going gets heavy, please don't argue with us, we're going to take the safe route, and if that means returning to home port, sobeit. Rule #7 If we allow you to use the VHF Radio, keep it clean, consise and respectful. Rule #8 If we ask you to do something, we're being nice! Do it! Rule #9 If we ask you to not do something, we're being nice! Don't do it! Rule #10 All of our guests onboard should relax and enjoy the sail, and we want to do the same. Perhaps I should print and laminate this! Any additional rules? Paul Hmm, I am beginning to think your boat's name does not mean you are a pot head. I had always figured you had gotten stoned, went out for pizza and came home with a boat! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Sorry Frank, after signing the contract for the boat we couldn't agree on a name, I had picked a dozen or so, Pegg too, no matches. So I finally said.. "I really don't care what the name is as long as it's a joint decision! TaDaaah! Paul <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

OK, scratch the trip to Paul's for a sail; and special note; stay well away from him near traffic lights!

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JudOWNED
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 09:45:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by windsong
 Here's a little-known bit of naval history vis-a-vis the importance of alcohol to crew morale:

The U. S. S. Constitution (Old Ironsides), as a combat vessel, carried 48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last six months of sustained operations at sea. She carried no evaporators (i.e. fresh water distillers).

However, let it be noted that according to her ship's log, "On July 27, 1798, the U.S.S. Constitution sailed from Boston with a full complement of 475 officers and men, 48,600 gallons of fresh water, 7,400 cannon shot, 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum."

Her mission: "To destroy and harass English shipping.."

Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum.

Then she headed for the Azores , arriving there 12 November. She provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine.

On 18 November, she set sail for England . In the ensuing days she defeated five British men-of-war and captured and scuttled 12 English merchant ships, salvaging only the rum aboard each.

By 26 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Nevertheless, although unarmed she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde in Scotland . Her landing party captured a whisky distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons of single malt Scotch aboard by dawn. Then she headed home.

The U. S. S. Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799, with no cannon shot, no food, no powder, no rum, no wine, no whisky, and 38,600 gallons of water.

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lol Funny story that illustrates the 19th century Navy's love affair with booze. Of course, completely untrue. Even aside from what Stinkpotter pointed out, every one knows grog was mixed by a half pint of Rum with 1 quart of water!

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At Ease
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Response Posted - 05/27/2010 : 15:37:37

My rules...for MY boat:

- If solo, no drinking until back in the slip.
- If have others aboard, no drinking unless at anchor.

For YOUR boat, YOUR rules apply, period.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 05/31/2010 : 05:53:36

All this talk of rules and Drink gets me thinking of "The Bruces"...

Second Bruce: Goodday, Bruce!
First Bruce: Oh, Hello Bruce!
Third Bruce: How are yer Bruce?
First Bruce: Bit crook, Bruce.
Second Bruce: Where's Bruce?
First Bruce: He's not here, Bruce.
Third Bruce: Blimey, s'hot in here, Bruce.
First Bruce: S'hot enough to boil a monkey's bum!
Second Bruce: That's a strange expression, Bruce.
First Bruce: Well Bruce, I heard the Prime Minister use it. S'hot enough to boil a monkey's bum in 'ere, your Majesty,' he said and she smiled quietly to herself.
Third Bruce: She's a good Sheila, Bruce and not at all stuck up.
Second Bruce: Ah, here comes the Bossfella now! - how are you, Bruce?
Enter fourth Bruce with English person, Michael
Fourth Bruce: Goodday, Bruce, Hello Bruce, how are you, Bruce? Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce a chap from pommie land... who'll be joining us this year here in the Philosophy Department of the University of Woolamaloo.
All: Goodday.
Fourth Bruce: Michael Baldwin - this is Bruce. Michael Baldwin - this is Bruce. Michael Baldwin - this is Bruce.
First Bruce: Is your name not Bruce, then?
Michael: No, it's Michael.
Second Bruce: That's going to cause a little confusion.
Third Bruce: Mind if we call you 'Bruce' to keep it clear?
Fourth Bruce: Well, Gentlemen, I think we'd better start the meeting. Before we start, though, I'll ask the padre for a prayer.
First Bruce snaps a plastic dog-collar round his neck. They all lower their heads.
First Bruce: Oh Lord, we beseech thee, have mercy on our faculty, Amen!!
All: Amen!
Fourth Bruce: Crack the tubes, right! (Third Bruce starts opening beer cans) Er, Bruce, I now call upon you to welcome Mr. Baldwin to the Philosophy Department.
Second Bruce: I'd like to welcome the pommy bastard to God's own earth, and I'd like to remind him that we don't like stuck-up sticky-beaks here.
All: Hear, hear! Well spoken, Bruce!
Fourth Bruce: Now, Bruce teaches classical philosophy, Bruce teaches Haegelian philosophy, and Bruce here teaches logical positivism, and is also in charge of the sheepdip.
Third Bruce: What's does new Bruce teach?
Fourth Bruce: New Bruce will be teaching political science - Machiavelli, Bentham, Locke, Hobbes, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Lindwall, Miller, Hassett, and Benet.
Second Bruce: Those are cricketers, Bruce!
Fourth Bruce: Oh, spit!
Third Bruce: Howls of derisive laughter, Bruce!
Fourth Bruce: In addition, as he's going to be teaching politics, I've told him he's welcome to teach any of the great socialist thinkers, provided he makes it clear that they were wrong.
They all stand up.
All: Australia, Australia, Australia, Australia, we love you. Amen!
They sit down.
Fourth Bruce: Any questions?
Second Bruce: New Bruce - are you a pooftah?
Fourth Bruce: Are you a pooftah?
Michael: No!
Fourth Bruce: No right, well gentlemen, I'll just remind you of the faculty rules: Rule one - no pooftahs. Rule two, no member of the faculty is to maltreat the Abbos in any way whatsoever - if there's anybody watching. Rule three - no pooftahs. Rule four - I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out. Rule five - no pooftahs. Rule six - there is no rule six! Rule seven - no pooftahs. That concludes the reading of the rules, Bruce.
First Bruce: This here's the wattle - the emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle or you can hold it in your hand.
All: Amen!
Fourth Bruce: Gentlemen, at six o'clock I want every man-Bruce of you in the Sydney Harbour Bridge room to take a glass of sherry with the flying philosopher, Bruce, and I call upon you, padre, to close the meeting with a prayer.
First Bruce: Oh Lord, we beseech thee etc. etc. etc., Amen.
All: Amen!
First Bruce: Right, let's get some Sheilas.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 05/31/2010 : 12:28:25

And that's where Bruce's Rules were adopted over Roberts Rules!

FYI, Back in me Navy Days (Oh Arrrrg!) when our ships (Royal Navy) arrived in port with our very friendly Americans, we would invite the chiefs from the USS's onboard as we had spirits and beer, they would return the favor and would invite us over to their ships becuase they had T-Bone Steaks! Worked well for all of us!

Paul

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