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windsong
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Initially Posted - 05/21/2010 :  07:57:44  Show Profile
I'm thinking about getting a drifter. Anyone have one? How well does it point? Where did you get it?
I need something besides my 110 to go upwind on light air days, but at the same time I really want to keep my 110 on the roller furler, which is the right headsail 90% of the time.

Michael Hetzer
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redeye
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 :  08:06:55  Show Profile


Atlantic Sail traders sold me this one for a good price. Used and I've only used it twice. It works great. Stays full with light air much better that the usual headsail, as it is light material.
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windsong
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 :  08:37:34  Show Profile
Ray, Will it point as high as, say, a 155 genny? The inevitable bowing of the luff would seem to inhibit pointing angle. Not sure though. Looking forward to replies in this forum.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 :  08:52:05  Show Profile
They are not made for pointing. Will not point. Bagged out and made for a reach or run. At least the one I have.
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 :  08:57:42  Show Profile
Michael, I think you're headed in the right direction. I bought a 135% last year because I was tired of sitting still, baking in the sun on light wind days. I thought the 135% was the right choice. Now, I think I would have been better served with keeping my 110% on the furler and buying a drifter. I think the weight of the sailcloth trumps the increase in sail area on the 135% in very light wind.
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farrison
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 :  09:35:52  Show Profile
I have a drifter and always pull it out in light air. It is in a dousing sock, so it is quick and easy to use. It also has a tacker strap that wraps around my furled headsail with a carabiner type clip. No, it does not point as well as a furled or hanked-on sail, but it's great to pull out and ghost around in the evenings when there isn't really enough wind to really sail.

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 05/22/2010 :  05:49:05  Show Profile
Hi Michael,
I've had a 155% drifter for Snickerdoodle since she was brand new in 1985. It is a genoa cut jib made out of 1.5 oz spinnaker cloth. For breezes 7 knts and below this is a great sail!!
But, remember when ordering that you order a jib sail not a cruising (asymmetrical) spinnaker.
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 05/22/2010 :  18:51:26  Show Profile
In my former sailing live -- having hank on sails -- I loved my drifter. I was perfect for light wind and enabled me to sail long after others were using the "Iron Genie". That said, with my rolling furled 25 I think the drifter would be a lot of work (to drop the jenny and raise the drifter, etc) unless you are in constant low wind. If you have hank on, it's (in my humble opinion) a must have sail. With furling I would lean toward a 150 and then furl in as needed.
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PCP777
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  12:19:05  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bigelowp</i>
<br />In my former sailing live -- having hank on sails -- I loved my drifter. I was perfect for light wind and enabled me to sail long after others were using the "Iron Genie". That said, with my rolling furled 25 I think the drifter would be a lot of work (to drop the jenny and raise the drifter, etc) unless you are in constant low wind. If you have hank on, it's (in my humble opinion) a must have sail. With furling I would lean toward a 150 and then furl in as needed.
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Don't they have ones that you can "hank on" over a rolled up sail?
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  12:51:47  Show Profile
You can raise the drifter without lowering the genoa. It's a matter of providing a separate halyard and block at the masthead and an attachment point at the bow. On the 250 with the CDI furler, those are already provided. The luff of the drifter does not have to be secured as a genoa. Treat it and sheet it like a genoa. Just use lighter lines since the weight of the lines may effect sail shape more. It is simply an assymetrical spinnaker. Just furl the genni and hoist away.
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DaveR
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  13:07:38  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
What are the dimensions I'd be looking for if purchasing for a 25?
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windsong
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  13:31:08  Show Profile
Thanks for all of your input. I have quotes from Ullman, North Sails, UK Halsey and a custom sailmaker, Yager Sails out of Washington. Prices vary from $655 to $1500. One uses a sleeve that "hanks on" over top of the furled jib. Another uses four sets of parrel beads. Yet another has a loose luff. Fabric quotes vary from .75 to 1.5. The shape is like a big genoa that I would tack inside the triangle just as I would a genoa. Pointing is limited by the wide spreaders on the 250. You can't sheet it in tight enough to point as high as a genoa fixed to the forestay. All variations would probably do the job. It's a lot of money to spend just so that I can keep the engine turned off on a light-air day.
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  13:40:36  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
Answered my own question
Luff - 29' 10"
Leech - 28' 5"
foot - 17' 5"
hank on
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  14:42:17  Show Profile
Take a look at the Capri 25 forum. There is a gentleman there who has a asymmetric spin for $650. Checking the numbers of a 250 against a Capri there is not much difference. This is good buy instead of a drifter. You fly a drifter like an asymmetric so no major difference.
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windsong
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  16:14:33  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by frog0911</i>
You fly a drifter like an asymmetric so no major difference.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thanks, but it wouldn't point. I already carry an asymm. I'm looking for a light wind sail that will go upwind.
This has been a fun research project. Asymm, gennaker, drifter, reacher, screamer, Code 0 - it seems to be a very creative era for sailmakers.
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 :  16:38:12  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by windsong</i>
Asymm, gennaker, drifter, reacher, screamer, Code 0 - it seems to be a very creative era for sail<u><b>makers</b></u>.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Creative era for sail NAMERS. They're all the same thing.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 05/25/2010 :  05:15:27  Show Profile
I guess I could elaborate. I think I paid around $250 bucks for mine used and it has a "stain" in one place. A wire luff so you can raise it with a halyard and it does not snap to the forestay. No pole is used with it and I would only use it downwind, off the wind, directly downwind it would fold up. I was told it is just the thing to use on Lake Lanier, as the wind direction changes so much and is so gusty and it is easy to singlehand. Trying to set wing and wing is just a pain cause you hafta keep changing direction. I'm told it would blow out with winds over 15.

I like the sail, I'd like to try a bigger one one day.
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 05/25/2010 :  06:43:27  Show Profile
If you have one made new, go with 1.5 oz spinnaker cloth. .75 won't hold it's shape as the boat gains speed - so you always feel like you are sailing into a header...... Besides, with spinnaker cloth you can have colors.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839
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