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dflynnatc
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Initially Posted - 05/21/2010 : 10:46:21

I've ejoyed a bunch of threads as I searched for this answer, but never found what I was pondering?

I have a 1979 C25 (portside outboard) with what appears to be an original mount. The current engine is a 2005 Yamaha 9.9 4stroke.

I _DREAD_ trying to get the motor up each time I need to because of contortion, leverage and generally a real PITA to bring the motor up. Even a second set of hands seems to provide awkward assistance because of space. Some leverage enhancers have done a bit of damage to to the grab handle -which appears to be aluminum- not all damage done by me though.

Question(s): What sz/weight was the original option engines? Is the 4 stroke heavier than the old 2strokes? Does anyone have any crafty solutions other than buying new or waiting for a _new to me_ bracket?

and when it gets to the purchasing new/used... is there anything one would recommend to avoid or look for?

Looking forward to your thoughts and guidance.

dflynn

Dennis Flynn
1979 C-25 SR/SK
Hull 1042
Rock Hall,MD
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Skippack, PA

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tbosch
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 11:05:12

Dennis,

We're in the same boat

. I've got a 1980 c25 with the motor on the port side. I have the original (I assume) single-spring mount that complains loudly when raising and lowering and requires a lot of awkwardly placed effort to raise and lower. My wife can't do it at all. Not only is it a pain but I think it is a safety issue if my standard crew can't work the engine. CD offers 3 mounts, 2,3 and 4 spring models, depending on your motor's weight. I was about to buy the 4 spring because I have a 15 horse 2-stroke that seems heavy. I took the motor off to weigh it and found that it weighed 79 pounds. The 2 spring bracket is for up to 80 pounds so that is what is in the mail.

Sorry I don't have any tricks, other than giving CD my Visa number...

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 12:00:28

Buy the one from Catalinadirect.com full stop. I have owned it and the only other real option and it is by far the best.
this one sucks

this one rocks, get the number of springs you need.

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DanM
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 12:00:33

You might try setting up a simple one or two block lifting harness.
That worked well for me, but the Admiral warned that it wouldn't work for her if we ever had an emergency. So I purchased the CD z2274 three spring motor mount. She was right! We're both happy.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 14:52:24

If you have the High Thrust 9.9 with a 25" (XL) shaft, figure 110+ lbs. (The "normal" model is lighter.) Catalina used a couple of brackets in the first few years--an aluminum one by Fulton and the stainless tubing design by Garhauer. The Fulton, IMHO, is not safe with your engine--it's not sturdy enough for that weight or torque. 4-strokes are indeed heavier in general than 2-strokes, and a few like the new Hondas, the Yamaha High Thrust, and the original Mercury Big Foot (120#) are as much as 50 lbs. heavier than similar HP 2-strokes.

If you have the stainless bracket, the new, improved Garhauer from Catalina Direct should use the original holes. All reports seem to be that with the right choice in springs, it's a very nice upgrade.

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Boomeroo
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 15:16:31

Hi from Australia . The Sailtrack solution
I have an 8 HP Johnson and plan on a 9.8 Tohatsu 2 stroke with elec start and charging . Due to a desire to get motor lower and make it easy to get fully out of the salt water the common solution is to mount the bracket on sail track . This allows the bracket to lift (with a simple pulley) to a point where it is easy to acces the lever that lifts the motor and allows easy tilt .
Winter here

so will take photo soon if required.

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two port feet
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 15:44:27

I hear ya on trying to get the motor up. I have a Honda 9.9 LS and sometimes,OK a lot of the time, I just leave it down after docking. The old back just can't take it. I ordered and received a four spring lift from CD along with there beef up kit. Figured the motor mount was useless if it just pulled though the Stern without the added up grade kit. the hole thing weights about 25 lb. I should have it installed in a few weeks In preparations for our first San juan Island trip.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 16:15:27

Looking up the motor mounts on the Catalina Direct website, it indicates for a motor weighing up to 80lbs, go with the 2 spring, 80-95 lbs, go with the 3 spring and above 95lbs, go with the 4 spring motor mount.

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two port feet
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 16:41:10

I sure get jealous when one of those Bass boats guys just pushes a button a motor goes up. Why can't I have that?

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 17:44:15

When I went for a sail with Kevin McKenzie, his C250 did just that. He pushed a buton and the motor came right up so I'm sure it just requires money.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 18:20:13

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21006&SearchTerms=OMC,motor,bracket

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20619&SearchTerms=OMC,motor,bracket

I also have the Yamaha 9.9hp 4-stroke extra long shaft (ugh!) and after researching what few brackets there are for this application I settled on this one:
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17458&SearchTerms=garelick,motor,bracket
C-ME Marine had the cheapest price at the time I purchases mine.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 18:48:21

Frank (Pastmember) Hopper bought both the Garelick described in OJ's threads, and the new Garhauer from Catalina Direct. He has expressed an extreme preference--you might want to contact him for more details on that, but it seems to me the nod goes to Garhauer. (Neither option was available when I needed something for a big 4-stroke, so I ended up picking a decent solution from Fulton--Bruce "Voyager" Ross has it now.)

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PZell
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 19:15:34

Dennis,
I have an old mount like you describe on a 1979 C25 on port side. It had, I believe, 3 separate springs originally but at least one of them broke. I have a 2 stoke 8.8hp on it. It was very difficult to bring up. I went to the hardware store and got a spring for a few bucks (replacement stainless steel springs to fit it would be too expensive). I think it was 7-1/2 inch long. It's connected to two bolts on the mount. One up by the backing plate and the other near the top at the transom (I think - I will have to look at it again). Anyway it works great for a temporary fix and is not real expensive to replace once in a while when it begins to look shabby. I have to push the motor down a little and then lock it down rather than just letting it drop. BUT, when I'm ready to raise it I just release it from the locking notch and it comes right up. You might experiment with some variation of this.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 05/21/2010 : 19:23:41

It does depend on how much you want to spend - there are electrics and hydraulics that pump up like a jack. Nothing against CD's offering, but a broader search reveals a wide spectrum of products.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 05/22/2010 : 02:01:55

I have a Honda 9.9 XLS, which weighs something like 113 lbs. The 4 spring bracket from Catalina Direct lifts it easily, and fits the original holes.

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 05/22/2010 : 11:52:48

I'm not sure when it was posted, but I used spring from Home Depot and an eyebolt through the transom. My 84 Catalina had a single spring mount and this new setup works very well for me.

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two port feet
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Response Posted - 05/22/2010 : 13:34:25

Maybe were on the wrong path here. Instead of adding a heaver beefed up motor mount to accommodate the larger four stroke motor why not go with a three or four horse motor. If your not fighting strong tides or large waves smaller mite be better. My boat came with the Honda 9.9 but for just motoring out and back from the dock or motoring in when the quits. A three or four horse mite be just fine on our lake.

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dflynnatc
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Response Posted - 05/22/2010 : 19:23:23

You've given me a great deal to look in to. Think I may have to try the block technique in the short term.

But do you think I could swap this out while boat is in water; or do I have to live with it for the season?

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OJ
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Response Posted - 05/23/2010 : 06:13:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dflynnatc
 But do you think I could swap this out while boat is in water; or do I have to live with it for the season?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Depends which bracket you go with to a degree. If you select a bracket that matches existing holes - then maybe while in the water. A bracket with a different bolt pattern and different travel dimensions will require measuring, positioning . . . tough to do in the water.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 : 05:52:46

If you can back the boat into the slip and reach the transom from the dock, it is possible to change out the mount while the boat is still in the water. We were able to do that, even drilling two new holes (the new mount was wider on the boat side). It is a two person job, however.
I went the "less expensive" route and bought a mount on Ebay, only the model I bought, a Fulton 1820, did not go deep enough. Re-sold it on Ebay and bought this one, a Fulton 1810, only because I had already drilled the 2 new holes in the transom. Granted, it has plenty of strength to handle a 9.8 hp Nissan/Tohatsu (my current motor)with ease (notice how thick the lift arms are - heavy duty aluminum, not steel), but it really needs a 1" spacer plate between the mount and the boat. I used 1/2" starboard, before realizing the problem. (got the idea from Pastmember - see pic above of the black mount). however, the straight lift arms on the Fulton mount will not clear the rubrail. I can't use the top lift position; fortunately I don't need it. The motor tilts enough to come out of the water.
See the pic above with the Honda in it. That's the mount you want, the Garhauer mount from CD. With the angled lift arms, it's perfect for the C25.

Oh yes, I also used a 1/4" starboard backing plate on the inside, highly recommended.

Edited by - dmpilc on 05/24/2010 07:55:41

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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 : 11:18:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 ...bought this one, a Fulton 1810......however, the straight lift arms on the Fulton mount will not clear the rubrail.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's the one I bought--very solid, similar to the Garelick... When I bought it, I also got some aluminum spacers to hold it away from the transom for easier operation and full motion--later Fulton discontinued the spacers. Bruce "Voyager" Ross has that setup now. I generally ran with it one click above the lowest position.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 05/24/2010 11:21:26

PCP777
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 : 11:39:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 Buy the one from Catalinadirect.com full stop. I have owned it and the only other real option and it is by far the best.
this one sucks

this one rocks, get the number of springs you need.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

This looks just like mine but I have no assistance lifting the motor up, it's a real bitch. Maybe I can add springs....

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 : 14:58:29

I also installed the 4 spring Garhauer bracket while my boat was in the water at the finger slip. The 4 spring bracket has the same footprint as the 2 spring model and so that simplified installation utilizing the same 4 holes in the transom. Photo is of the PO's outboard which I replaced several months after I bought my boat.

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islander
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 : 15:58:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">This looks just like mine but I have no assistance lifting the motor up, it's a real bitch. Maybe I can add springs....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Peter, If your springs are broken and were removed, YOU ARE THE MAN! I have the same Honda on the 2 springer and its rough pulling it up but with NO SPRINGS.....WOW!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/24/2010 : 17:06:10

Agreed Dave, the Fulton model 1810 is a very sturdy mount, rock solid.

When we bought our boat, it had the old stock 2-spring mount and a 9.9 hp Suzuki long shaft with electric start that didn't work. The arms on the mount were bent from too much weight, and the PO had added a block and tackle set-up attached to the pushpit. It was still very hard to raise the motor, which is why we changed mounts.

One other note, if you do buy a Fulton model 1810 and add a 1" spacer and 1/4" backing plate, you will need to buy longer bolts. With our 1/2" spacer board and 1/4" backing board, the supplied bolts were just barely long enough.

Edited by - dmpilc on 05/24/2010 17:13:29

dflynnatc
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Response Posted - 05/25/2010 : 05:08:04

DaveP et a., Thanks for the pictures... really helps decipher things. This picture represents one similar to the one I have, but a much older unit-with much shorter lifting arm. I know I have springs- 4 if I recall correctly- but still awkward and difficult to disengage/lift.

I am going to try the block and tackle at at first, but make plans to swap out to the garhauer with the starboard in/out.

Would hooking b/t to the stern pulpit rail be "bad" I see the other picture hooked to the cleat but not sure that angle would work for me.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc

Oh yes, I also used a 1/4" starboard backing plate on the inside, highly recommended.

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