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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/14/2010 : 03:46:18

Sweet... I want one of those ( the cd topping lift ). I'm out in light air often. I like the way they rig it, on both sides of the boom. I've been thinking about this a long time, but never did a search on CD for one.

Thanks.

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 06/14/2010 : 05:41:36

Yeah, that's a nice design...I have to add a block above the boom to make a 2:1 mechanical advantage topping lift, along with a new, small cleat on the boom.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/14/2010 : 11:01:03

When I switched from wire/rope halyards to all rope halyards on both the C-22 and the C-25, I saved the wire sections. On the C-22, I used the wire section from one of them to be the primary section of the topping lift, shortening it so it stops about 1-1.5 ft. from the boom. Attached a micro block to the wire and ran a 1/4" line from a pad eye on the boom up through the block and back through a block on the boom end, then forward to a cleat. Next time the C-25 mast comes down, I'll do the same thing for it, replacing the line that currently runs from the top of the mast to a block on the boom end and forward to a lance cleat.

I used another section to tether the dog in the back yard to one of those corkscrew stakes with a swivel connector. Being a former stray and not being used to a tether, she tried to chew through the wire. Tried covering the wire with a plastic shroud cover - she chewed that up in one afternoon. Stopped using the halyard wire because we're afraid she'll hurt herself chewing on it. May try again with a heavier wire.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 06/14/2010 : 21:58:41

To avoid a large roach hanging up on the backstay in light air, as you start to tack, ease the mainsheet 3" - 4". This gives the sail some momentum to clear the backstay.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 06:37:48

Makes sense Derek! ease the tension and the sail rescinds (damn, spelled that right the first time!) just a tad!

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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 07:19:36

<< the sail rescinds >>

OK that's just wrong.. there has got to be a better "sailing" term for that. Heck.. I'd settle for scoots forward...

You mean, as the sail relaxes the luff fills.

OK I can't do much better...avast...

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 06:33:34

OK, I agree

relaxes or settles takes it!

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 11/03/2010 : 05:12:10

Dave (Bamboo),
Any chance we can start an email conversation about your new main? I'm starting to look into buying one, and since you are fairly close and sail in pretty much the sam conditions I do, I am interested in your experience with your new main. Email me at TCurran32766 at gmail dot com.
Thanks,
tom

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WesAllen
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Response Posted - 11/03/2010 : 19:38:43

Please, lets hear about the new main as I have just ordered a new main from Doyle Sails in Detroit. It is a loose foot unlike my old warn out main. I have no experience with a loose foot main sail.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/04/2010 : 12:54:16

You will like the sail shape a loose foot offers. For starters, your outhaul setup will be much more critical because you won't have the friction from the foot bolt rope in the slot on the boom. You'll want at least a 3:1 ratio, and more probably 4:1. There are numerous configurations to consider, some of which have been mentioned above. One of the simplest is a single block with becket on the clew and a double block on a D-shackle at the boom end with the line running forward along the boom to a clam or lance cleat. If your boom already has an available pad eye on one side and a cheek block on the other like mine did, put the double block on the clew and single block on the boom end, start your line at the pad eye (or becket on the single block), go through the blocks (cheek block last) and forward to a cleat.
When sailing off the wind, your crew (or you) can ease off on the outhaul to put more fullness in the sail to increase speed a little. Then pull it back in just before turning back upwind.

Edited by - dmpilc on 11/04/2010 13:05:44

OJ
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Response Posted - 11/04/2010 : 13:46:35

We will be installing an internal outhaul this winter. The line will exit the boom near the gooseneck, down to a turning block and back to the cockpit.

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/b45b96ae#/b45b96ae/20

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 11/04/2010 : 14:15:38

Hey Tom, not a problem. I'm pretty pleased with the sail, love the big roach and the loose foot. I ended up getting CD's 8/1 internal outhaul, was actually easy to install. Really haven't played with the loose foot yet, been too windy this fall. I guess I like the velcro batton holders the least, but I'm told by UK Halsey that's the way sail makers are going lately. But man does this sail help my wing keel point!

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 11/04/2010 : 14:56:50

Hey, Dave,

Congratulations on your new sail! Your old one had certainly seen better days. When I got my new. old C-25 5 years ago, the previous owner had for whatever reason just bought a new Ullman loose-footed main and 110 jib. So I was pretty happy to buy the boat for a song.

Happy sailing with your new mains'l!!!

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 11/04/2010 : 17:10:19

Thanks John. Yeah, you saw that ole thing first hand, haha. And Tom, I tried emailing you and it came back.

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 11/05/2010 : 02:55:34

Dave, thanks for the info, pretty much sold me. Did you order straight from UK Halsey? Wouldn't mind making the trip north to see it sometime, see how the internal outhaul is set up, etc.

Sorry about the bounced email, not sure why. Try "tom dot curran at us dot army dot mil" Do you have an email I can try? (tried to send one through the association website)

Again, thanks for the response and info,
tc

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 11/10/2010 : 14:32:36

Hey Tom,
Sorry it took this long to respond, just thought to look for your response. I ordered directly from UK Halsey. And come on up, I'd be glad to show you the sail & outhaul. Email is waveless96 at cfl dot rr dot com, give me a shout!

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