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Jib sock for C250?

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TakeFive
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Initially Posted - 06/10/2010 : 20:24:31

I am considering getting a jib sock for my C250. I have an extra halyard to pull it up because of the CDI furler. It seems this would provide UV protection without the performance/wear issues of Sunbrella stitched along the leach.

Do any of you have comments on the advisability of this? Is it more trouble than it is worth getting it on/off?

Catalina Direct has pre-made socks for the C25 Std and Tall rig, but nothing listed for the C250:

http://catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/feature/8/furling-jib-sock.cfm

Have any of you found an economical source for a C250 sock?

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor)
New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)

Edited by - TakeFive on 06/10/2010 20:32:09

Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 06/10/2010 : 21:14:33

Do you not have a sun-strip on the jib? The main concern I've had about jib socks is that they tend to flog in higher winds (I've seen and heard it), which I would think would wear the edges of the sail.

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 06/11/2010 : 03:18:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Do you not have a sun-strip on the jib? The main concern I've had about jib socks is that they tend to flog in higher winds (I've seen and heard it), which I would think would wear the edges of the sail.
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No sun strip. This is the original factory sail as supplied by Catalina. I heard that Catalina leaves it off because it causes sail shape problems and hurts performance. I can already see weathering along the leach, and will probably have to restitch and resize this winter.

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Response Posted - 06/11/2010 : 06:08:05

I'd be surprised if there isn't at least a sacrificial, UV-treated Dacron strip along the leech and foot--something like 5-6" wide... It looks like regular sailcoth. Some choose this over Sunbrella because Sunbrella doesn't stretch as much as Dacron sailcloth, and therefore can cause "cupping" as the sail ages. My genny had the Dacron, which was turning a little gray when I bought the boat--and had deteriorated a little more when I sold it.

But I get surprised now and then...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 06/11/2010 06:08:45

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/11/2010 : 08:32:16

My genny has damage from UV. The stock Catalina sail did not have protection.

I had a CD genny sock on my C22 and it was a good solution. It does add another step in the process though. And it adds another place for spiders to live.

We sent our sail to SailRite for evlauation and they said the UV damage was significant and, even if the put on a UV strip, they would not guarantee the sail. They wanted about $500 for the work. We're going to finish out this season with the genny and get a new one over the winter. I'll get the UV protection strip built on. I like the ease of just getting on the boat and heading off. The easier it is the more often we go.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 06/11/2010 08:34:02

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Response Posted - 06/11/2010 : 12:50:33

I recently FedExed my jib to Rooster Sails in Alameda CA for the installation of a UV cover.. The recommendation of owner/sailmaker Rui Luis experienced was not to go with Sunbrella but with Dacron. His observation was that Dacron was a superior fabric as compared to Sunbrella in regards to longevity and that it didn't stretch nearly as much. An ad Rooster Sails places in Latitude 38 boasts, "Your Roller Furler UV Cover Specialist". Rui does know his stuff. He also does sail repairs.

Out the door with tax (not including shipping) $288. Rui did an excellent job. I could not be happier with the application.

Rui is a friendly guy who would be happy to discuss, as he did with me, the pros and cons of whether to use a Sunbrella or Dacron UV cover. www.roostersails.com He also responds to e-mail: rui@roostersails.com

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 06/11/2010 : 13:02:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by superbob
 ...His observation was that Dacron was a superior fabric as compared to Sunbrella in regards to longevity and that it didn't stretch nearly as much...
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I'll keep this guy in mind, but I'm not sending my sail away in the middle of the prime season, so it will have to wait. I thought the problem with Sunbrella was that it does not stretch enough. In other words, the rest of the sail stretches, but the Sunbrella doesn't, and you get cupping.

Edited by - TakeFive on 06/11/2010 13:03:28

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Response Posted - 06/11/2010 : 14:52:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RhythmDoctor
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I'll keep this guy in mind, but I'm not sending my sail away in the middle of the prime season, so it will have to wait. [/quote]

E-mail Lui and see what his time frame is for in and out with your jib. I found that his turn around was quick. Like less than a week. Apply FedEx or UPS overnight there and back and you'll have your jib back ASAP.

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Response Posted - 06/12/2010 : 11:24:41

I have a jib sock from Catalina Direct- it works well for me; I find it especially useful for trailering so I don't have to remove the jib from the forestay. So far it is holding up well after round trips (on the road) to Destin last fall and Annapolis last month.

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Response Posted - 06/12/2010 : 15:17:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jking
 I have a jib sock from Catalina Direct- it works well for me; I find it especially useful for trailering so I don't have to remove the jib from the forestay. So far it is holding up well after round trips (on the road) to Destin last fall and Annapolis last month.
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I did not see one for the C250 on their website. Does one for the C25 work? Or did you have to contact them for a different design than is listed on their website.

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Response Posted - 06/13/2010 : 11:05:20

I called them-the sock was available but was not listed on their web site (not sure why they would do it this way.) They needed to know the length and the circumference desired. I measured the jib while furled, added some to accommodate the jibsheets (which I coil (a large coil adds less to the circumference than a small coil) and securely strap to the jib INSIDE the sock when the mast is down, plus a fudge factor for error.

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jbkayaker
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Response Posted - 06/13/2010 : 12:26:22

Here's where I got my genoa sock:
http://www.leesailcovers.com/
It's more trouble but the lighter sail edge is worth it if you are racing.

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jml
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Response Posted - 06/14/2010 : 10:50:31

I currently have a jib sock (Don't know the manufacturer, it came with the boat when I bought it) and I never use it. The few times that I tried using it and the wind picked up the whole boat would shake. I even tried wrapping a spare halyard around the sock. I plan on having a sacrificial strip sewn onto my sail, hopefully using the material from the sock.

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Response Posted - 06/14/2010 : 18:45:46

I suspect that JML's jib sock is a loose fit which allows it to flap. Mine is a snug fit and does not flap.

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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 06/14/2010 : 19:48:42

Rick,

I have a C250 with the stock 110% jib.
I ordered a jib sock from Catalina Direct in 2006.
They didn't have it listed then either.

I also have the stock CDI roller furler, so I used the jib halyard to raise the sock.
It works pretty well for me and besides if you get another jib, you can still use the sock.

Also, when you trailer you can put all the halyards and sheets inside the sock.
We have mild winters, so I leave the boat on the trailer without a cover.
The sock is added protection for the jib and lines.

I also fixed the flogging problem by attaching a messenger line to the jib halyard (3/16 polyester line).
When raising, every 2 feet I wrap the messenger line around the sock.
When fully raised, I tighten the line and tie it to the bow pulpit.

Russ

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