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CateP
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Response Posted - 07/13/2010 : 06:01:49

I think I'm going to investigate other marinas while we post the boat for sale. If we find one that is affordable, less boat traffic, and within a reasonable distance we may go that route. At this point I am leaving destiny up to the sea gods.

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Response Posted - 07/13/2010 : 06:25:29

Cate - I live just east of Camden, NJ and drive a little over an hour to the boat. My previous boat was kept on the Delaware river about 20 minutes from my home, but I ended up sailing it less than my current boat since it was more of a hassle to launch.

If you sail the Barnegat, I assume you have a swing keel? Not sure you could make your way down the channel to Laurel Harbor Marina without one.

If you have questions about my marina, feel free to email me: pat at duffyfamily dot org.

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Response Posted - 07/13/2010 : 07:32:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by CateP
 ...when we DO get the carb cleaned we will do things differently.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Do you have a Racor filter/water separator? If not, that'd be a place to start.

Edit: I just looked at your site... You don't want to sell that sweet thing!! If you do, somebody's getting one heck of a buy!

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Response Posted - 07/13/2010 : 12:34:15

I looked at the chart of your Metedekonk River and the north end of Barnegat Bay. If you can find something further south, your whole experience may change, IMHO.

While our boats are very similar, our sailing venues are worlds apart. I've seen a few places on "my" bay, and also visited 8 other spots on the east coast, the west coast, and the "middle" where our members' C-25/C-250's are sailed. These places are VERY different! The kinds of enjoyment you have on your boat depends on who's on the boat, and depends on what else there is around you.

Pduffy probably has a good idea for you to try. Best of luck finding another slip somewhere on "your" bay. Sounds like he solved the same problem of a hard-to-handle location.

Maybe you could even visit his place to see if the conditions are really different there! It's not just about the money, is it? It's about the experience! Is pduffy a port captain of the Association?

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Response Posted - 07/14/2010 : 08:02:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by CateP
 ...when we DO get the carb cleaned we will do things differently.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Do you have a Racor filter/water separator? If not, that'd be a place to start.

Edit: I just looked at your site... You don't want to sell that sweet thing!! If you do, somebody's getting one heck of a buy!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The Racor filter/water separator is a great idea! (so is running the engine dry when we are done for the day)

We're aggressively looking south now. I really don't want to sell. It's been upsetting me for days now. If we can find a new home that is cheaper we will hold on to "Mysterious" until we relocate out of NJ in a couple of years. One of things I have noticed about the southern marinas is that they have great access to a large part of the bay where boat traffic wouldn't be such an issue. Many also look a lot more sheltered than where we are now, which may make for a much better docking situation. (we would often NOT go out because the winds were too high in our slip).

I am feeling much more encouraged thanks to the great input here.
Thanks everyone.

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Response Posted - 07/14/2010 : 09:08:46

Good plan--even if you have to store her for a few years, she's a keeper! You won't find as good a value later on.

BTW, a respected Honda mechanic here, who writes for some boating mags, advised me to not run the engine dry--rather to put stabilizer in every tank of gas, and then leave that stabilized gas in the carb. He said that the very fine jetting in small four-strokes can get gummed up by the evaporating film of gas after running "dry". I juiced up my gas, stopped running my Honda 8 dry, and the idle jet problem, which would cause stalling when throttling down, seemed to go away. But some people have different stories...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 07/14/2010 09:12:20

JohnP
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Response Posted - 07/14/2010 : 09:55:58

I was thinking about how you might be able to sail along the coast out on the ocean past Barnegat Light. But it looks like it would be difficult to get out of the inlet in order to take advantage of possibly nice conditions out on the ocean. NOAA chart 12324 and its Note C gives a warning about the first problem!!! And then the discussion by some fishermen who like the fishing action near the inlet gives more of an idea about what trouble you could be getting into:

Aids to navigation in the inlet, from Chart 12324:
Note C:
Barnegat Inlet
Oyster Creek Channel
Buoys in these channels are not charted because they are moved frequently. Hydrography in Barnegat Inlet is not shown due to its continually shifting nature.
Consult Local Notice to Mariners, 5th Coast Guard District, for the latest positions of aids to navigation.

Comment by a fisherman on running Barnegat Inlet:
http://www.tidalfish.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-85775.html
I was in a 16' Carolina Skiff. Great for the bay and channels, flats, etc. Running the inlet with it isn't for the faint of heart. The place can be absolutely treacherous even on what would otherwise be considered a 'nice' day. It was dicey at best on that afternoon try with the wind opposing the incoming tide--builds waves in heartbeat. You can't let your guard down for a minute in there.

Another fisherman's comments:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/011804.html
"Kinda scary when you think about it. Weekends around here in the afternoon is literally a free for all. Survival and collision avoidance is the game. Running the Oyster Creek Channel at 2 or 3 on a beautiful Saturday afternoon in the summer is something everyone should experience at least once in their life. It's freeway driving at rush hour."

That sounds like a time for some really good local knowledge. Or it might be a case where you would need some really good luck with the current not opposing the wind and there being not too much traffic in the inlet in order to get out onto the ocean.

Here's an aerial view of the sand bars around the inlet by Barnegat Light, from 50000 ft.:

I guess it's not as challenging as the Columbia River bar, where the Coast Guard practises their worst case scenarios for coastal rescues with 20 foot waves or so. But it sounds pretty dangerous at the Barnegat Inlet!

So, you have to admit that Barnegat Bay itself is a pretty nice place to have a pleasant sail!

For example, there's a great seafood place called Windows on the Bay in Bayville, NJ - You might be able to sail right up to it - with a 3 ft draft - halfway between the G"39" and the R"40".

Edit: Pduffy's marina is down a long channel at the top of the aerial photo here, and your marina would be one whole image above this one.

Edited by - JohnP on 07/14/2010 10:05:51

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Response Posted - 07/14/2010 : 10:41:47

Cate - as John indicates, my marina is at the end of a channel that is about a mile long. Even when the wind is blowing pretty good on the Bay, I never have any trouble in the marina (and I am very inexperienced!) Very little wind and no possibility of wake or wave damage. The downside is that you have to motor for quite a while and "crossing the freeway" near r40 can be dicey on the weekends

In the 26 years since my boat has been on the Barnegat Bay, it has not once ventured out the Barnegat Inlet. The first 24 years because my father-in-law and PO of the boat was terrified of that inlet. While I am not terrified of the inlet, I feel like I am going to need a bit more experience handling the boat before I am willing to give it a try.

The south end of the bay is quite beautiful and if you stay to the eastern side, you avoid at least some of the north / south traffic to / from the inlet. Of course this past Sunday, I had to endure a couple of Cigarette go-fast types - one of which passed close enough that I could see which brand of cheap beer they were drinking. I guess once you pay for the gas in those things, there is not much money left for good beer!

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Response Posted - 07/14/2010 : 12:32:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pfduffy
 . . . The downside is that you have to motor for quite a while . . . <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yeah, but they can use up all the bad gas in the process!

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Response Posted - 07/16/2010 : 03:42:41

Try using prig gas stabilizer. I use it in all the gas ALL nthe time and never have a problem. The gas we get today is terrible.My motor is a 2002 9.9 honda and I think ist great. USE GAS STABLIZER ALL THE TIME!

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CateP
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Response Posted - 07/16/2010 : 09:43:08

I wanted to give everybody an update on my situation. We got the motor started and it wasn't a dirty carb. We had air and a leaky clamp in the fuel line. The idle was also set wrong. Fixed in about an hour. While at work, (earning $$ to pay for this adventure) my partner took a nice long ride in the boat to test out the motor. All is well!!

We also found a great marina farther south called Good Luck Point Marina. (The name itself is a good omen-45 minutes from our house)The slips are a LOT cheaper than what we were paying and it's calm for docking. There is also a really fun waterfront restaurant/tiki bar down the street that looks like a great place to hang after a sail. The best part is that we are literally minutes away from raising the sail in the big part of bay. No washing machine boat traffic!!!Almost instant sailing on a big expanse of water. No bridges. Island Beach Park across the way. (Anchor and swim to a white sand beach only accessible by boat.) Tons of bird wildlife

I feel like we are about to start a new life with the boat and have resolved many of the issues that have kept us from enjoying "Mysterious".

We are definitely getting some stabilizer and will ask around about running the engine dry. Seems there are lots of opinions on that.

I want to thank everyone for the great advice and ideas this past week. It has made a huge difference and saved me a lot of $$ and angst over selling. You guys are GREAT!!

My partner is having a photographer come out and take a picture of our boat under sail for my birthday in August. I'll post here.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 07/16/2010 : 10:36:03

Fantastic! Congratulations! Now we just need to talk you into moving closer to the boat...

For stabilizer, either PRI-G or Marine StaBil (the green version) seem to be very good. For you, one bottle should outlive the shelf-life, whatever that is... The Racor is at least as important in this age of ethanol-generated water and suspended crud.

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Response Posted - 07/17/2010 : 06:02:52

You're going to enjoy that end of the bay.

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