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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 07/17/2010 : 07:39:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 OK, I want to read more. What is your search criteria? I've phrased it many ways and get nothing.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">BTW, I'm certain that was way more than "three years ago."

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 07/17/2010 : 11:23:37

And nobody died. I still haven't found any other articles to find out when the boat was recovered and what they found.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/17/2010 : 13:42:17

Prospector, FYI the wing keel has 9" more headroom than the C250 water ballast. The water ballast gives up some head room for the ballast tank. A trade-off for the increased trailer-ability. We throw our duffels etc in the V-berth behind the seat back.

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Response Posted - 07/17/2010 : 14:17:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 And nobody died. I still haven't found any other articles to find out when the boat was recovered and what they found.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I suspect it was too long ago for most media sites... I think they "found" that 15 people on a C-25 is more than double the prudent number, and 15 drinkers at night is about 15 too many. Furthermore, I know from experience on a Colorado mountain lake like Dillon how the wind can both blast and swirl in unpredictable ways. Sails up with 15 aboard a 25-footer... Good luck!! The "ballast" above the waterline is probably 1000 lbs. more than the ballast under it.

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Response Posted - 07/17/2010 : 14:41:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Prospector, FYI the wing keel has 9" more headroom than the C250 water ballast. The water ballast gives up some head room for the ballast tank. A trade-off for the increased trailer-ability. We throw our duffels etc in the V-berth behind the seat back.
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I guess thats really the whole theme of boat shopping in a nutshell isn't it? what tradeoffs do you want to make, adn how much is each one worth to you.

When we bought Iris we were also looking at a bunch of really pretty "vintage" boats for around the same money. Included in the mix of leaders were Hinterhoeller 28's, a CS27 that I still kick myself for not getting, ODay 25's, and a mess of others that got a cursory glance.

Once we had our must-have list and our want list ironed out, things got real clear real fast and very few of the boats we were drooling over could fit the bill. The C-25 did though. With it skinnyed down to the C-25 and C-27, we started really shoping, and I quickly realized that for our use the extra space in the C-27 (hanging locker and aft lazerette, and a little extra beam) didn;t offer enough to compensate for the extra cost associated with the bigger boat.

Through all this we never even looked at a C-250. We just weren't at that price point, adn I can be a little bit cheap. Now looking back, I still am not a fan of teh water ballast. I've heard that the Wing keel isn't a race design, and I think I made the right choice.

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Response Posted - 07/18/2010 : 08:16:34

Well, after questioning my "source of the story on Dillon, it is questionable, people embellish too much. Sorry to all, As for the trailering, I cannot get my boat rigged and in the water in anything less than two hours. I want everything protected when in transit, like the shrouds insulated from the mast (I spent WAY too much time stripping and re Awlgripping the spars to let the get scratched up) I take great care with the foil on my furl er, it's just not that quick. If you are going for a few days it's OK, but I would not even consider it for a day sail. The 22 might well be the ticket. They are great boats, super easy to tow and rig, but I like my 25 SR/WK no doubt about it...

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Response Posted - 07/18/2010 : 09:53:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 
I finally got around to walking through a 250 at the boat show the year before last. Our local dealer had a water ballast boat in display. I walked in, felt like the floor was trying to mate with the ceiling, and walked away happy that I had bought a 25.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

"Low" Overhead is definitely a potential issue with a C250 WB. The C250 WK adds about 9 inches of headroom by loosing the water ballast tank, but by no means can it be said that the wing keel has "standing" headroom.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 
Being that the 250 is an "open concept" from the companionway to the bow below decks, I am not sure where you throw the duffle bags etc. that are prone to flying around the cabin on each tack. We put ours up there allong with the sleeping bags, and a handful of other rolly-bouncy things, then shut the door and forget about them.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Not quite as pretty (you can see the contents), but the V berth area on a 250 works very well for stowing stuff and keeping it well contained. :-)

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 
For being a family boat, the C-25 works well if you leave the modern sales literature at the dock and take yourself back 30 years to when teh boats were built (and marketed) as a family escape pod. We have let feature creep, marketing, and envy drive us to longer, beamier, more equipped boats that make sailors focus less on the essence of what they are doing and more on the bling they are taking across the lake. I learned this the hard way after paying to refurb all my instruments, only to lose them all, then realize I was sailing better and enjoying myself more without fixating on what the windspeed & direction indicators were telling me. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I think what Prospector said about "bling" is equally true for the C250. While it is newer, it too is a "relatively" simple boat. For either boat you can "trick" it out, but you don't NEED to- the C25 and C250 are all well thought (and affordable both in terms of purchase price and maintenance) that can work fine right out of the "box", but can be modified to suit what ever degree of complexity you want.

Of course, having a 250 I'm only slightly prejudiced in favor of them.... go with a 250 :-)

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