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DaveR
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Initially Posted - 07/19/2010 : 11:42:10

I got my new main from UK Halsey via UPS this morning. The batons are wrapped on the ends to guard against chafing, but it seems like mine were not wrapped very well. Should UK Halsey have done a better job? Should I re-wrap them to cover the corners? Or am I just being anal?

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 12:20:33

Yes, Yes, Yes.

It's interesting that the bottom photo has "shredder" included in it.

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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 12:31:36

For what I imagine you paid, those tips should be better prepped...but it won't take much to improve on them.

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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 13:19:54

A little bit of black electrical or other plastic tape, or rigging tape if you have it, should take care of your concerns. But I agree with Jerry, UK should have wrapped them better, unless it was intended to only protect the ends during shipping. I've used battens with no wrapping at all, in fact we used to just sand the ends very smooth, tapering them slightly at the same time.

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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 13:43:09

I never liked tape for the ends--there always seems to be an exposed corner or something. I preferred vinyl tips.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 14:00:58

wooooh - THOSE are pretty slick

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islander
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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 14:17:12

Dave beat me to it but mine have the vinyl tips also. I believe they are available at WM.

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jbkayaker
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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 17:53:33

Sails have battens. Orchestra leaders have batons.

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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 19:10:09

Really depends on the batten pocket. My main is made to only take the width of the batten (both ends). The sleeve is a bit larger, but the ends are snug and wouldn't take any additional width. The battens are also fairly thick (1/4")so there is less of a sharp end. They are inserted in such a way that the velcro that seals the leach end in place (fully wraps the end to prevent chaffing.) The luff end of the sail has reinforcement the connects to the slugs so that end is also chaff free.

So my official answer would be depends, maybe, sorta probably.

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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 20:00:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 Really depends on the batten pocket... So my official answer would be depends, maybe, sorta probably.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Agreed... The pocket might dictate the tip... On one boat, I had batten pockets with elastic at the forward end that kept the batten tensioned against the drop-down pocket at the leach. Each batten had one plastic end shaped to hold the elastic band. On another boat I just rounded the ends of the battens and filed the edges smooth. I've also used the vinyl tips--they are fairly thin. That picture is from WM.

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Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 21:06:23

Looks like an opportunity to make good use of the tub of plastidip.

(Harbor freight sells similar stuff)

[url="http://www.cornerhardware.com/14.5_oz_red_plasti_dip/6741_6850_7163/18394"]plasti dip[/url]

Paul

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 07/20/2010 : 04:03:17

I was under the impression that UK-Halsey was a class outfit: those battens (both batten and baton come from the same French word, meaning "stick") are not well done. The battens on my Doyle main have rounded and smoothed corners.

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Response Posted - 07/20/2010 : 06:22:06

Thanks for the input guys.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Sails have battens. Orchestra leaders have batons<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">(both batten and baton come from the same French word, meaning "stick")<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Thanks for the clarification James and Brooke.

Mark from Halsey did mention that the batten pockets had elastic that tensioned them and none had blown out in recent memory. And it's a very easy thing to take the tape off, round the corners and bevel the edges, so that's what I'll do.

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Response Posted - 07/20/2010 : 10:16:30

When I first saw this topic, I was trying hard to think of the parts of a sail and where a baton could be. I had imagined a drum majorette prancing on the foredeck twirling her baton and throwing it in the air up to the sail. Then I opened the topic and realized it was the other one.

There is so much jargon in sailing! And so many amazing words in the English language from hundreds of other languages.

Our family sometimes plays the "dictionary guessing game", where the leader chooses an obscure word from Merriam-Webster and if no one knows it, then it is spelled for each of the 4 or more players. Each player writes down the word along with their own dictionary-style definition, either funny or serious, on their slip of paper. The leader writes down part or all of the dictionary definition, word for word, and collects and reads all the slips of paper. The leader generally corrects minor errors in the fake definitions for fairness' sake, shuffles the slips, practises reading them all, and then reads them equally seriously out loud to the other players. Then everyone tries to guess which is correct. A point is given for fooling anyone else, and a point is given if no one guesses the correct definition. Then you pass the dictionary to the next player. It's really fun for adults and for kids of any age, who only have to be able read and write. It turns out that there are thousands of English words that no one has ever heard of. Only some of them are nautical terms. For example, you sailors might know what a kerf is, but I bet no here has heard of a "zarf" or a "quadrune" or a "torsk". See what I mean? Some of the made-up definitions people think of are way better than the real meaning. And the slips of paper are funny to re-read years later, too!

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 07/20/2010 : 10:17:58

I assumed you were just linguistically celebrating the Tour de France!

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 07/20/2010 : 11:26:34

And you know, I use my spell check and refer to a dictionary when ever I wonder about a word or it's meaning. Ah well, a few get by every now and then.
Maybe a sail baton is something you use to try to direct the wind toward the sail

Yeah, that's what i meant!

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