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kirbyc1
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Initially Posted - 09/28/2010 : 17:34:46

Hey, I had a friend give me this Catalina 25, hull number 1503. Everything seems to be in pretty good condition besides the missing mast, rudder, and trailer. Im currently working on getting all that from the guy parting out his boat in the swap meet.

My question is, what kinda deal am i getting here if i have to pay somewhere around 1000$ for all those parts. Not to mention I have to fix some 3 holes in the deck where some stations were ripped out by some Ahole. It has been sitting out in the water for 2 years and only has a minimal amount of water in it, so its not like the boat is leaking. Also the inside after a little cleaning would look great. Here are pictures.

http://s965.photobucket.com/albums/ae135/kirbyc1986/Catalina%2025/

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 18:27:21

Don't mean to sound negative but this boat is missing a lot of parts and it will cost way more than $1,000.00 to get this boat in safe sailing condition.

Also, do you have a title for the boat?

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windsong
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 18:38:04

A 1986 Cat25 in sailaway condition is probably worth around $5k. What you have here is a project boat. You could perhaps earn a little - very little - sweat equity if you know what you are doing. Do you?
Otherwise, I'd leave the title in my friend's name and save my money for a boat that could pass a sea trial. I hate to be Johnny Raincloud, but be careful; a boat like this can become a liabilty in a hurry.

Edited by - windsong on 09/28/2010 18:39:21

Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 19:18:44

Trailer,rudder and mast(with shrouds?)for $1000...if they are in usable condition, you should wear a black mask when you pick them up...that would complete the thief scenario, cuz you just stole it

Seriously,
I'm all for DIY fixer-uppers...to a point, effort vs gain must be worth it.
Trailer first, will it work for your boat, keel/weight, or will modifications be needed? Condition, licensing, tires/bearings/brakes are all concerns.
How much is it going to cost to address those issues (if any)
Used trailer alone could be worth $500-$1500

Rudder, cracks,pintles, over all condition. Most can be handled with some basic knowledge.
I'd consider a good rudder to be $100-$300

Mast, any bends, corrosion, spreader upgrade,(SS mounts?)and masthead and sheave condition are the main concerns.
How long have you been looking for a mast? is this one worthy plus any shipping cost needed?
This is tougher because it's boat specific, vital piece to a sailboat and less available, however, harder to sell too, so pricing needs to not scare away a buyer. I'd consider a fair price for used to be $400-$800 a new mast head is $150 new shrouds cost $600 so if they are included and look bright, that may add to the cost. Shrouds can not be judged only on appearance, however this can give you a general idea of their age. Inspect the swagging for clues of stress, any bends,cracks or loose wires should not be included as usable (IMHO)

The above is just an opinion. The $1000 for the parts plus repairs/time spent to fix the boat is your call. Have a survey done on the boat you have to determine it's true value weigh that against this 1984 C25 in the swap meet ready to go for $3500
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22285
now that is a low price, but there are deals out there like that.

It is very hard if not impossible to 'flip' a boat for profit. If you want the boat for yourself, then....only you can put a price on that.

Good Luck

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 20:07:51

A $5000 boat will cost $5000 no matter how much you pay for it up front. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Your "friend" knows that it can cost a lot of money to get rid of a worthless hull so, just give it away and make it somebody else's problem. Would this friend hand you a couple of thousands of dollars under other circumstances? Spend your money on a boat that you kow is sea worthy.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 20:10:49

What's the keel? The hull number is from '79 or early '80--early vintages for the C-25, although potentially serviceable. Holes in the deck probably mean rot in the plywood deck core--you can't tell how much without a moisture meter and someone who knows how to use it (a marine surveyor). It looks like you have no engine, no outboard bracket, a messed up stern rail, no bow pulpit, no mast, no boom, no standing rigging,... (Why is that?) Shall we assume no trailer? (This boat takes a major trailer, although many owners don't have one.)

Before you start spending real money on this, make sure you have a pretty good idea of what it's going to take--not just for what you can see. A 4,500 lb. fiberglass and iron carcass can be very difficult to dispose of... which might be why you got it for "nothing." The boats that others are parting out might be comparable or better.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/28/2010 20:17:57

kirbyc1
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 20:48:02

Thanks for the replies, everything is noted. I would say that I am pretty good at fixing things up. Ive been working on a 1974 22' helsen for the past 8 months and am almost done with it. The guy I am getting the mast from is including the shrouds/stays/mast/boom for 500$. I guess I can part without a trailer, I just figured it would make everything easier to work on. Although I do have a Catalina 22 trailer that I could throw another axle on?

One thing that just crossed my mind, the bow pulpit left 2 2inch diameter holes on the bow. Im wondering if this may affect the durability of the fore stay's anchor point. I dont think it would but theres always a chance.

I just keep thinking if i get this boat, throw maybe 500 into cleaning it up, 500 on a mast/shrouds etc, maybe 300 on a used sail. Im still in the clear by a few thousand. I understand the concern of not being sea worthy. What would an inspection cost?

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Rich G
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Response Posted - 09/29/2010 : 01:01:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by kirbyc1
 
I just keep thinking if i get this boat, throw maybe 500 into cleaning it up, 500 on a mast/shrouds etc, maybe 300 on a used sail. Im still in the clear by a few thousand. I understand the concern of not being sea worthy. What would an inspection cost?
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You just keep thinking that. Keep a tally of how much you spend, and let us know how far off you were in the end. I bet you can't get that boat sea worthy for less than $5k, not including labor.

How long has the boat been in the water? I wonder how badly blistered the bottom is . . .

IMO, your "friend" should be paying you to take this boat off his hands.

Edited by - Rich G on 09/29/2010 17:52:30

John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/29/2010 : 06:41:48

I'd be very concerned about those holes in the deck, Particularly at the bow. If this boat has the older tang design, a wet core could be catastrophic.

Do you know why this boat is missing its mast, boom and standing rigging?

Do you plan to fix up this boat for re-sale or for re-sail?

The real worry here for me is that this boat could be made to appear cosmetically sound and still have substantial problems that an unsuspecting buyer might not look for in the future.

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 09/29/2010 : 07:44:06

John is right about the stem fitting and the structural integrity of the bow... (How come he knows so much about C-25s??

) Catalina changed stem fitting a few years later to one that has a tang that goes under the rub-rail and down the bow where it's thru-bolted so the forestay can't pull the deck up. That upgrade can be purchased from Catalina Direct.

I'll repeat John's (and my) question about the missing mast, etc... There might be a story there that could be pertinent.

A professional survey should cost within the $300-400 range--maybe less for a pre-reconstruction evaluation. A smart buyer will have one done on your finished product, meaning what you miss, he'll walk away from.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/29/2010 07:46:02

Stuff4Toys
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Response Posted - 09/29/2010 : 11:21:27

I paid $600 for my project and it came with a mast and ready to sail if it weren't for the 3" of barnacles on the bottom.

and the mismatched sails that don't fit the boat.

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Stuff4Toys
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Response Posted - 09/29/2010 : 17:48:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Rich G
 

You just keep thinking that. Keep a tally of how much you spend, and let us know how far off you were in the end. I bet you can't get that boat sea worthy for less than $5k, not including labor.

How long has the boat been in the water? I wonder how badly blistered the bottom is . . .

IMO, you "friend" should be paying you to take this boat off his hands.
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I'm thinking I will have about $1500 + $600 in mine with a complete bottom scrape, blister repair, barrier coats, bottom paint, keel repair, and sail repair. Not including my own labor and electric bill for the compressor.

Thinking kirbyc1 will have about $3k in his.

Edited by - Stuff4Toys on 09/29/2010 17:55:38

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/29/2010 : 20:52:50

From the pictures, this looks like a hurricane damaged boat (missing/damaged stanchions, missing bow pulpit, broken stern pulpit, missing rudder. Hope you are a good do-it-yourself person.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/30/2010 : 14:16:27

Interesting tubes and brackets under the starboard cockpit seat. Bracket holds boathook or maybe the whisker pole? What about the tubes?

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 10/18/2010 : 18:19:41

Anybody hear from thus guy recently?

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OJ
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Response Posted - 10/20/2010 : 11:27:21

This is the same boat that someone was trying to sell whole (with no title) for $300 - or part out. I had sent him $100 for some misc interior pieces and he never shipped them . . . I got my money back through the PayPal resolution department. Perhaps the author of this thread is busy trying to obtain a "court ordered" title.

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 10/20/2010 : 12:15:27

Hmmm...could be. We were in negotiations for the mast and boom from the boat I'm parting out as well as a few other misc parts, but I haven't heard from him in weeks. We were emailing almost daily, and then nothing.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 10/21/2010 : 09:53:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dubbinchris
 Hmmm...could be. We were in negotiations for the mast and boom from the boat I'm parting out as well as a few other misc parts, but I haven't heard from him in weeks. We were emailing almost daily, and then nothing.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yep, been there, done that . . . funny how some motivated sellers become unmotivated, especially after you express interest in what they are selling!

Edited by - OJ on 10/21/2010 09:54:22

Stuff4Toys
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 08:08:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NoSoyMarinero
 Hmmm i have a 1986 25' 1 owner fixed keel that i cant give away? Its in Good Sailing condition ........
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Where is it, we have had good luck with Catalina 25's

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 08:42:57

John, it's in Fort Worth. http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22444 Maybe, if the ad had a little detail, he might get some nibbles.

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 11/05/2010 : 15:44:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dubbinchris
 Hmmm...could be. We were in negotiations for the mast and boom from the boat I'm parting out as well as a few other misc parts, but I haven't heard from him in weeks. We were emailing almost daily, and then nothing.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yep, been there, done that . . . funny how some motivated sellers become unmotivated, especially after you express interest in what they are selling!
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But I'm the seller and my continue to be motivated to sell. It's the buyer who has quickly become unmotivated. Although I just got a request in my for sale thread from someone looking to buy my mask (sic). He has only one post so we'll see how this plays out.

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