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Nautiduck
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Initially Posted - 10/08/2010 :  21:40:58  Show Profile
We have <i>Nauti Duck</i> on her trailer at the club. Our friends have their C250WK (<i>Mariposa</i>) parked on her trailer right next to us. Pat mentioned that <i>Mariposa</i> was lower than <i>Nauti Duck</i>. We looked closely and realized that the keels are different. <i>Nauti Duck</i> (a 2000 model) has a 28" length keel (bottom of wing to hull at keel leading edge). <i>Mariposa</i> (a 2001 model) has a 23" keel length. The keel's are 5" different in length (depth).

I had never heard of this before and don't know why Catalina would change the wing keel length (depth).


We cannot direct the winds but we can adjust our sails.
Edited by - Nautiduck on 10/08/2010 21:42:31

Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/09/2010 :  07:47:00  Show Profile
What are the overall drafts of the two? (Measure waterline to ground and then keel bottom to ground.) Which draft is to spec? Maybe Mariposa got a C-22 keel by mistake... (...or ND got a C-270 keel.)
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watercayman
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Response Posted - 10/23/2010 :  21:53:24  Show Profile
My boat is out of the water, so I checked this just for kicks. My 1999 model = 28"
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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/24/2010 :  08:30:35  Show Profile
Mike, thanks for the post. I believe the Pre-2001 WK's have the 28" keel and the newer models have the 23" keel. My friend's 2001 has a draft of 41" which matches the published specs. My draft is 46". It's fine with me. I don't need the shallower draft and having the keel weight a little lower in the water is something I like.
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watercayman
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Response Posted - 10/24/2010 :  11:58:13  Show Profile
Wow - that's pretty amazing, actually.

I agree - in the relatively heavy winds here, I can use a bit longer keel. Also, I just ordered the longer choice of rudders to replace my broken one - and I thought it was going to be an inch longer than the published draft. Looks like it's going to be perfect!
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ruachwrights
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Response Posted - 10/24/2010 :  12:58:11  Show Profile  Visit ruachwrights's Homepage
This is rather interesting. My 97' came standard with the tall rig. The tall rig was reduced because some owners felt there was too much canvas. The designer disagreed though, I talked to him on the phone once. So now we find that they reduced the rig and the draft... I wonder if they increased the keel weight? I hope they did!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/24/2010 :  13:05:18  Show Profile
The draft on a C-22 wing keel is 2'6" vs 3'6" for a C250 and the weight is almost 350 lbs less, so I doubt that the shorter one is a C-22 keel. Did Catalina really deliberately install wing keels with a 5" difference in draft? Sailing characteristics have to be significantly different which could really screw around with class performance.
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/24/2010 :  18:30:39  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dmpilc</i>
<br />...Did Catalina really deliberately install wing keels with a 5" difference in draft? Sailing characteristics have to be significantly different which could really screw around with class performance.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I truly don't think Catalina is thinking about one-design racing with their boats any more. The huge C-30 and C-27 classes are orphans--the production boats now vary almost year to year. If you want to race in a class fleet, buy a one-design racer (like a J-whatever) that's popular in your area, not a family cruiser. That said, this makes PHRF ratings even more problematical for the C-250.
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