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Renzo
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Initially Posted - 10/17/2010 : 06:19:26

Just bought some new pelican hooks from the on line supplier mentioned in another thread. I thought that I would be able to screw them on to the existing fitting on the life lines btu the threads are different so I will have to cut them off and swage the fittings that came with the new pelican hooks. My question: is do any of you have experience with swaging SS fittings. How is it done and what tools are needed.

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Response Posted - 10/17/2010 : 07:43:16

I would try to get the matching hooks, you will probably have to cut the lifeline and the shorter length probably won't be sufficient when the pelican hook is extended to it's max.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 10/17/2010 : 07:45:46

Swagelok ? I thought Swagelok only makes tube connectors.

In any case, I am not sure I understand what you want to do, do you want to thread in a fitting to the pelican hooks that allows use of swageless fittings such as Sta-Lok or do you want to thread in a fitting that allows you to insert the cable in the other end and then swage/crimp that fitting. If you want to crimp the fitting that threads into the pelican hook, it can be done with linesman pliers but if not heavy duty, then the pliers handles will yield and deform where eventually the handles touch each other. Home Depot has very durable linesman pliers but in their electrical section - not hardware. An alternate if you can bring the fitting and cable with you is to use the swaging/crimping tools for DIY at West Marine. I have used their tools to crimp fittings and their tools are made for the job vs useing linesman pliers.

If you are talking about threading in a fitting that allows for swageless fitting to be attached on the other end... well the following link may be of some help.
http://www.seafarer-research-center.com/diyrigging.htm

Swageless (StaLok) Fitting Installations:
http://sailmahalo.com/picture_collections/InstallingStaloks/

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/17/2010 : 07:48:07

BTW, cool boat name!

Paul

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Response Posted - 10/17/2010 : 08:14:46

Renzo, I had same issue a few months ago. I bought replacement at local marine salvage store but size was not correct. Luckily I could return. I took a good one to West Marine and matched up there. Not only did I have to make sure size was correct, as you know, but also left or right handed thread. I got what I needed.
Sorry I have no experience or what tools needed but sounds expensive but less expensive than buying entire life line kit from Catalina. Good luck.
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Renzo
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Response Posted - 10/17/2010 : 08:37:54

These are the hooks I bought

http://www.marinepartdepot.com/ststpehofor3.html

the stud terminal is refered to as a swage fitting (My title for this post is incorrect- swagelok is a trade name for another item)
Anyway my understanding is that swaging refers to a method of attaching an item to a cable. The stud that came with the hook (the tube after the nut in the picture of the hook) is long enough to more than make up for cutting off the existing stud.The thread on the old stud is goes in the right direction but is a different pitch and may be metric. So what I'm tring to do is swage the new stud onto the existing cable of the life line gate.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 10/17/2010 : 08:38:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 BTW, cool boat name!

Paul

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 10/18/2010 : 14:04:55

Swageing of any kind takes a machine. I would check out a rigger on the web and see if you could send the life line and the hook and see if they would do it for you. It might cost $5 - $7 per swage and they might not want to do it since the lines are not new.

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Response Posted - 10/18/2010 : 14:32:46

Call my friend Jon Duer at Great Lakes Rigging. He will work with you and do whatever you need.
http://greatlakesrigging.net/

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Response Posted - 10/18/2010 : 15:05:32

I noticed a swage tool mounted to a table at West Marine one day - but I didn't stop to see what sizes it accomodates.

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Response Posted - 10/19/2010 : 04:40:17

Sta-Lok is the only way to go.... reusable but tougher than anything. Real swedging needs to be done with a hydraulic press and very few places have one. Only a rigger owns the real deal typically.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 10/19/2010 : 07:09:56

Thanks for the helpful responses guys. I guess I should have checked on the method of atachement before I purchaced the hooks But I assumed that the screw threads would be standard.(Silly me).
Chris, thanks for the link to Greatlakes Rigging but it would cost me more in gas than it's worth to drive down to Ohio, I'll check with the local sail makers to see if they can recommend a rigger near-by. Or I might do as Sten suggests and see if I can find Swagelok studs that will match the hooks and install them.
Failing that I may take the existing life line gates off the boat (The gates are seperate from the life lines on my boat) to a machine shop and have the hooks or studs re-threaded.
Next time I'll look to windward BEFORE I tack.

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