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islander
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Initially Posted - 10/31/2010 : 06:37:35

We were out sailing yesterday in some fairly strong winds of 15-20 with gusts to 25. Had the main reefed and Genoa rolled a little and were having a nice sail. This was going to be our second to last weekend before pulling the boat. About 2PM we heard a loud bang and I felt the tiller jump. Sara looked at me and said, What was that?. I answered with, I don't know but that didn't sound good. I looked over the transom, Sat down again and said, The season is over and explained to her what the Bang was...

So I will be doing the pintle/gudgeon upgrade this winter. Its been a good season for us. We had our first sail on April 23 and our last sail yesterday. So in the 6 months that we were in the water we sailed 1136 NM Something that we are kinda proud of.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 10/31/2010 07:07:04

Salvation
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Response Posted - 10/31/2010 : 08:07:16

Wow! How many seasons did you have on it?

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/31/2010 : 08:13:58

Wow! Glad the weld held at the pin, which probably saved your blade. It could have gotten a lot uglier if the whole lower pintle had completely let go. This gives you an idea of the forces that are hidden from you by the balanced rudder--particularly when you're heeled and pitching through some significant chop.

Congrats on an impressive first season!

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islander
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Response Posted - 10/31/2010 : 12:25:48

Dave, This is our 3rd season with the boat. It's an 87 so I would guess that the pintle is original and is 23yrs old. You are absolutely right about the forces that are applied to these parts. When it broke it sounded like a gun shot. Lucky? I'd say so. Like you said,I could have lost the whole blade. So I guess that the balanced rudder solved the problem of the rudder snapping off but now it goes to the next weak link. Although the pintle is 23yrs old and things don't last forever.

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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 10/31/2010 : 16:18:02

What GPS is that?

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islander
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Response Posted - 10/31/2010 : 16:36:00

Garmin 545.

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 10/31/2010 : 21:46:57

Going out and checking my boat. We have raced our 79 a lot and with the spinnaker the rudder does have stress with all the pulling. Is the replacement any heavier?

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 04:37:59

Ah so..
That is the balanced rudder. Youser...

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OJ
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 05:44:49

If you are looking for something more durable - you might consider the J24 rudder hardware produced by Schaefer Marine. Our C25 is an 89 model and the PO replaced the original gudgeons/pintles with these. They are bulletproof:

http://schaeferhardware.com//SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=234

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 06:35:50

I think you can fix that with duct tape and binder twine.

(This site has a disclaimer for bad advice, right??)

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 06:37:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 Dave, This is our 3rd season with the boat...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Oops--I misread something... I'd say 23-year-old stainless is subject to breakage--even the "bullet-proof" stuff. This is why chainplates should be checked now and then, and perhaps replaced every 30 years or so--particularly for the upper shrouds.

Another "upgrade" that would provide some peace of mind would be a third pintle/gudgeon... but alignment would be more critical. Somebody here did that.

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PZell
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 10:41:13

No need to end the season. Order part from CD and you are back in business by next weekend. Do the upgrades later.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 12:03:54

I think any part that lasts more than twenty years is durable enough.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 13:04:41

I disagree. I'm wondering if the issue is the balanced rudder causes a high load on that strap that could fail when you need it most. More reason for 3 pintles possably.

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islander
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Response Posted - 11/01/2010 : 14:09:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> think you can fix that with duct tape and binder twine.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Ah yes, Duck Tape. The universal fix it tool. Don't leave home with out it!

But I was thinking more along the line of Crazy Glue or Gorilla Glue.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">No need to end the season. Order part from CD and you are back in business by next weekend. Do the upgrades later<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
If I lived in sunny California maybe but around here its getting cold. Saturday when the pintle broke it was around 48 deg. Had long underwear, a turtle neck, two heavy sweatshirts and a windbreaker on.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2010 : 06:28:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 About 2PM we heard a loud bang<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I know that "bang" all too well.
I recommend that you buy three new pintles. Replace both of the existing and carry a spare. Replacing a pintle is such an easy repair, it could conceivably be done while underway.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/03/2010 : 08:53:05

Note that the break is right along the edge of the weld that holds the strap to the pin.

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