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stampeder
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Initially Posted - 11/09/2010 : 22:59:31

Haven't been back here in a couple years - you may remember why. I breezed through the forums, it is nice to see that the good people are still themselves and still offering up solid viewpoints and observations.

I sold my beloved C25 this past spring. I thought I would post an ad in Kijiiji just to see what shakes out. So I listed the boat for more than I thought I would get and the damn thing sold in sixty seconds. (the guy that bought it called sixty seconds after the ad was listed, the deal was consumated about a week later) I was surprised that it sold for my asking price and amazed that it all happened so quickly. This is the first sailing season in 20 years I have not owned a sailboat. Although I did do a lot of kayaking and buzzing around in my zodiac (with an extra long shaft 10hp OB - you wanna talk about getting an inflatable boat up on a plane?)

I've been looking for a project boat, but have not found one yet. I'm looking for ideas and suggestions on a 22' - 27' project boat. Prefer cost to be under $10K, and it must have a trailer. I would consider a wing keel C25 or C22, have looked at a couple of Pearson Ensigns (22')but they are on the east coast and I get the impression there is a problem with core/keel. I'm closer to the west coast, and would consider going as far east as Michigan and as far south as Texas, west and south to California.
Prefer to find a classic look, prefer lots of wood, or all wood. I get as much enjoyment out of 'working on' - as I do from sailing.
I usually rec'd excellent advice here and look forward to hearing what you guys suggest as a trailerable project boat. The admiral misses the C25. She cried when we handed the keys over. There's an empty spot in my backyard and in my heart (and maybe a whole lot of relief too)

We've played this winter game on this forum before, it's called what would you buy or what is your dream boat. I'll limit the dream boat thing by saying I don't want to spend much more than $10K and expect to put another $5-10K into improvements. I liked my C25 Swinger, but am moving away from lake country out to the west coast where a fixed keel is necesary.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/09/2010 : 23:48:23

Welcome back! What waters will you be sailing on?

I've looked around for quite a few years, and in your price range, the '89-91 C-25 is about as good as it gets for a cruisable, trailerable sailboat. The wing is more trailerable, and the fin is a little better on the water. And you get us! (...plus Catalina Direct.)

Now, if you're interested in being a little more on your own (for parts, support, advice, etc.), you can probably find an older C&C, Tanzer, Dufour, Freedom, etc... I can't recommend anything among them--each individual boat will be a unique project. Hunter and O'Day are out there, but I tend to favor the Catalina--not because I bought one--I bought one because I favored it.

If you want to sail off the trailer (as opposed to keeping her in the water), you might want to go a little smaller... Com-pac and Precision made some nice 23-footers--the Com-pac is more traditional looking (like [url="http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/Com-pac-With-Trailer-2195079/Portland/OR/United-States"]this one in Portland[/url]) and the Precision is a more contemporary and roomier.

They all have their own issues and advantages... Figuring out and solving the issues can be the key challenge.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 11/10/2010 00:01:50

JohnP
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Response Posted - 11/10/2010 : 05:23:46

You have many to choose from on web sites like these:
[url="http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailboats_for_sale_under_25_feet/"]Sailboat Listings[/url]
[url="http://boats.canada.oodle.com/used-boats/for-sale/sailboats/"]Oodle[/url]
[url="http://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats.html"]Sailing Texas[/url]

and many of the Craigslist versions, like
[url="http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/boa?query=sailboat&srchType=A&minAsk=&maxAsk="]Craigslist Vancouver & suburbs[/url]

I assume you will be relocating to the Vancouver area.

Happy hunting!

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Response Posted - 11/10/2010 : 07:50:42

Hi Stampeder.

Have taken a boo at the old Sharks? Raceable, cruisable, small, woden.

How about teh Hinterhoeller Redwing (??) 25' and classic lines.

I think both of these are fin keels though - launch might be an issue.

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Response Posted - 11/10/2010 : 08:50:34

If you really like wood, you could look for a 25' Folkboat. My friend's son had one--it's sort of a cult thing! He singlehanded his from Connecticut to Cuba and back, and also CT to Haiti and back (with GF). He builds and restores wooden boats up to spectacular schooners, and would never own "plastic."

Edit: Thinking about that further--you probably won't find one for twice your budget.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 11/10/2010 08:59:16

DaveR
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Response Posted - 11/10/2010 : 14:43:23

Welcome back,
Take a look at Frank's new Starwind 223, it's not woody but looks to be a fine 22' trailorable.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 11/11/2010 : 10:20:20

Folkboat is on my list of boats that I would pay more for. Just don't see any on western half of North America.
Will be sailing Vancouver Island, Washington State. Specifically: Johnson straight aka the Salish Sea, Juan de Fuca, San Juan Islands, Puget Sound)
Will have use of a mooring ball just south of Victoria on Vancouver Island, but will need to trailer store the boat half the year.
Having launched and retrieved my C25 Swinger many times and in every concievable kind of weather, I now know that I need a boat that can be retrieved by two people. Launching is easy, it's getting it back on the trailer that gets me uptight. I've seen some ugly stuff on the launch ramp. As an inveterate do-it-myself kind of guy, I not only need to get the thing back on the trailer, I need to be able to drive up the launch ramp without having to call a tow truck. And, the boat has to be perfectly square on the trailer. Call me kooky (I know you wouldn't say anal) but sailing is about getting things 'just right'. As a guy that enjoys shaking his head at launch ramp follies, I gotta get my own launch and retrieval right or risk the loss of head shaking priveleges.
I've seen lots of C25 swingers out west, but not a lot of wing keels. Would be interested in one of the classic high numbered wing keels with the good headroom. Gotta have a galvanized trailer with electric brakes. Installation of a wood burning stove will be high on my list - sailed on two sailboats last winter that had wood burning stoves - man that is the best accesory since the invention of cockpit winches.
Ohh, the plans.... and the fun I'm gonna have not worrying about the keel falling off....not that mine was ever in any real danger of doing so, but I heard the stories.
I spent one winter on the west coast with the swinger moored in a fairly open little bay. The boat took a pounding and the keel never showed any sign of movement. The keel cable and the 'axel', the trunk and all those little iron parts stood up like a champ....but yet I kept an ear peeled for anything that might suggest a sudden departure of 1500 LBs of iron. Sailed that swinger through a couple of situations I had no sane reason to be out in... getting a first hand appreciation of the design that allows 25' of fiberglass to keep on moving forward when green water is coming over the bow, drawers are flying open, and the admiral is uncharacteristically silent. We always seemed to be able to make it back to the dock...even that time we got caught in a tornado and got driven across a lake with 200' of rode and two anchors and ended up on a beach. We'd be out in the weather, unable to see past the bow, but our bilge remained dusty dry in all those adventures.
So sure, my next boat could be a catalina 22 or 25. Have you seen a good one for sale?

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Response Posted - 11/11/2010 : 12:41:24

""I've seen lots of C25 swingers out west, but not a lot of wing keels. Would be interested in one of the classic high numbered wing keels with the good headroom. Gotta have a galvanized trailer with electric brakes.""

I had a wing keel, galvanized trailer and electric brakes.
The electric brakes makes a big differance in the moutains....not sure why more people don't use them.

paulj

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 11/11/2010 : 22:44:43

I'll sell you my '89 SR/WK #5862 for $12,500.00 negotiable. I've got a brand new/never installed Harkin Mark IV roller furler. I've got a used 150 in pretty good condition for the furler plus a hank-on 110 and 150. Main is in good condition but is the original I think.

I also have a '05 or '06 Magic Tilt galvanized trailer. It was built for a Mac 260 I believe but I've pretty much got it modified for the C25. Needs new brakes.

one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand...

Edited by - GaryB on 11/11/2010 22:45:37

Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/12/2010 : 06:46:24

[url="http://www.sfbayfolkboats.org/classifieds.html"]Folkboats for sale in SF[/url] (glass versions).

If you keep her up, you'll sell her for more than you paid. (Headroom? You don't need no steenking headroom!)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 11/12/2010 06:59:53

stampeder
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Response Posted - 11/12/2010 : 22:30:09

you're right, I don't need headroom, I'm 5'6"
I'd rather spend my time in the cockpit.

Okay Gary, let's negotiate.

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Response Posted - 11/12/2010 : 22:45:57

I had a wing keel, galvanized trailer and electric brakes.
The electric brakes makes a big differance in the moutains....not sure why more people don't use them

You're right....Could not agree more. I live in Calgary Ab, I'm on the lee side of the Rocky Mountains and have hauled my swinger over Rogers Pass (4,534 ft above sea level) to and from Vancouver 4 times, with surge brakes on one axle. While this is adequate if nothing goes wrong; it is nerve wracking. My 3/4 ton long box HD chevy paid the price in terms of brake pads and rotors.
I rebuilt my trailer and spent a lot of time looking for parts to upgrade the brakes...but never did find the right 'do it myself' combination of price and parts to complete the job. It was a big motivational part of my decision to sell the boat. I now know that a boat and trailer for situations such as mine (long haul, mountains) requires a proper trailer with proper brakes. This has been said here on this site many times, but unfortunatley, some people (no names please) just don't get it. I have a capable truck, but a trailer with electric brakes on two axles is preferable to a bigger truck.

Edited by - stampeder on 11/12/2010 22:46:58

GaryB
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Response Posted - 11/14/2010 : 21:05:06

Make an offer.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/18/2010 : 14:02:48

There is a C22 with fixed keel for sale on ebay.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 07/07/2011 : 21:29:03

finally bought another boat; A Tanzer 22, that has been sitting neglected in a field for the past 2 or 3 years. Got it for next to nothing.
I've got the hull scraped and sanded and down to the gel coat.
Any opinions on painting the entire hull with Brightsides paint?
Gelcoat is scratched and worn out in many places.

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