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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/17/2010 : 11:23:41

Droid...

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/17/2010 : 11:30:10

http://sites.google.com/site/beercanracer/

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Response Posted - 11/17/2010 : 18:57:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 You guys keep this thread up and...we may have to go for a group buy !
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I'm in!

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zeil
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Response Posted - 11/17/2010 : 19:58:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
You guys keep this thread up and...we may have to go for a group buy !<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Looks very interesting

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Response Posted - 11/17/2010 : 20:25:05

Yep, very interesting to me too, time to move up but not sure where, Droid would be my choice if I were in a hurry, but I'm not

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/18/2010 : 12:37:30

Droid not ready yet.. Im just expecting a good solution from them eventually..

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Response Posted - 11/18/2010 : 19:53:59

I use MacEnc on my MacBook Pro with iNavx on my iPod touch. I used it last season cruising the caribbean. The MBP stays on the nav station with the touch as a repeater in the cockpit. Instruments and gps tie in at the nav station. The touch screen is really too small but functionalit of the setup is great. I just got an iPad and the iNavx app loaded strait away. I have tested the setup and it works great, full featured chartplotter. Heading back down in a few weeks and plan on building a simple mount for the iPad on the pedestal.

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Response Posted - 11/19/2010 : 04:31:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 You guys keep this thread up and...we may have to go for a group buy !
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I'm in!
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The thing is...especially at this time of year, I do not deserve a gift because I buy gifts for myself all year long. Not counting what I have bought the other months for the boat, I just bought new halyard lines for install this winter and a mast mate for no immediate reasoin other than I am intrigued by how it can be used to facilitate bulb change-outs and rationale I used was if something goes wrong with the halyard install. I am also waiting on a Boye Rigger's knife...which my wife is going to intercept and that's goping to be my present this year. So...Kindle vs IPAD (much more functionality) vs a knock off of either....and how much lomng after the holiday season before I can get away with another fgift for myself is the question. I'm building the rationale....hmmm good thoughts in this posting thread....definitely could use a full featured chart plotter.....and more purchases helps the economy...okay what other good reasons to justify it's purpose ? Well...it's never too soon to put things on my birthday wish list...that would be in time for the spring sailing season...April ! IPAD costs may drop by then and maybe they will have a tweaked version that also justifes purchase after any small nits worked out with existing new units.

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Response Posted - 11/19/2010 : 07:17:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 ...and more purchases helps the economy...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...of China, where the iEverything is made.

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Tjarnold
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Response Posted - 11/19/2010 : 08:13:38

One other thing. Only the 3G versions of the iPad have the internal GPS chip & antenna. A must for navigation. The Verizon iPad dos not have this!

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zeil
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Response Posted - 11/19/2010 : 15:36:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I use MacEnc on my MacBook Pro with iNavx on my iPod touch. I used it last season cruising the caribbean. The MBP stays on the nav station with the touch as a repeater in the cockpit. Instruments and gps tie in at the nav station. The touch screen is really too small but functionalit of the setup is great. I just got an iPad and the iNavx app loaded strait away. I have tested the setup and it works great, full featured chartplotter. Heading back down in a few weeks and plan on building a simple mount for the iPad on the pedestal.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Tom: Being of a more mature generation who have had less exposure to all this wizardry, could you expound, show a diagram, provide photo's and describe the type of cables required to make this all work together... it sound exactly what I would like to do... (just bought an Ipod touch)

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/19/2010 : 16:31:11

Henk, also am of a more mature generation but my kids have forced me to have more exposure to all this wizardry. I have IPhone, not ITouch but same in two respects. I can access internet anywhere where as the itouch required wifi and 2nd the Iphone is a phone. OK lets move on...
You can however download applications. That is a great feature. No wires or cables is needed. Just wifi.
Now to access those applications, click on the "App Store" icon on your ITouch and do a search. There are tons of sailing related apps. I use Navionics as my navigation program but there are others such as iNavx. One note, you must have an ITunes account. Many applications are free but those I just mentioned are not. You will have to download ITunes on your computer to begin an account.
When you click on the application, it will ask you to log in using your ITunes info and bill you. The app will then download in a few seconds and there you go.
I suggest you do your app search from a computer as it will be easier to review and decide what you want to buy. Grab any young kid and I am sure they would love to help. Good luck. I have I have answered most questions. It is extremely easy.
Steve A

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zeil
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Response Posted - 11/19/2010 : 18:23:35

Thank you Steve
The IPod touch gadget is truly amazing and learn more of its astounding capability every day. Kids assisted me in setting up an ITune account... bought my first $4.99 movie app which BTW did not work on my Macbook pro, but fine on the IPod because it is an app followed by a long story why it only works on the IPod touch.

Oh well... later browsed through the "App store", and obtained a first $0.99 cent AppBox Pro tool gadget just to try it... and will forever be a believer that it'll do anything!!

However and please have patience,

1) which of the two would you recommend and why
a) Navionics
b) INavx
c) Other

2) Since I, (on impulse and should know better), bought an IPod touch how can this be wire connected to a GPS, dephfinder and IPad which I would love to buy later.

3) While away from a wifi connection how will it function regarding position, long/lat etc.

4) Are the charts, at the cost of approx $50, downloaded and regularly updated with sufficient detail...

Tom states:
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Instruments and gps tie in at the nav station.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

5) How will this be hardwired or connected to the IPOd and IPad

6) Wait, say a year, and let technology develop a little further?

7) Recommended reading

Thanks in advance

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/19/2010 : 20:45:49

Henk,
I use a gps receiver that connects wirelessly over bluetooth with my Mac. I also have a serial to usb adapter cable that lets me connect to the serial output of my Etrex. Depending on which Ipod Touch you have, it might have gps built in. The Ipod Touch and the Ipad have wifi and will connect with your Mac that way to act as a repeater for MacEnc on you Mac to INavx. The charts for MacEnc and Inavx are downloaded for free from NOAA for free for all US charts, but Canadian charts will come from CHS, and other commercial charts can be used too.. Try http://www.gpsnavx.com/ to get all the info on their products and a link to Mac Sailing forum with a MacEnc GPSNavx forum included.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/20/2010 : 14:13:54

Dave, I couldnt have said it better!

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 11/22/2010 : 12:32:45

Here is a 208 page, 23 Mb PDF file [url="http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/download-now-ilounges-2011-ipod-iphone-ipad-buyers-guide/"]THE 2011 ILOUNGE BUYER'S GUIDE[/url] you can download and read that describes the current situation, as of November, 2010, with the Ipad, the Ipod, and the Iphone. It has several charts showing direct comparisons of the specs of various models with 3G and 4G. It provides opinions on pro's and con's for purchasing each version of each device. It also lists a few popular apps and useful accessories for them with prices. It only shares Mac-centric opinions, though.

After looking this over, I think I now have a number of reasons why I will probably wait til Spring or later to add some new electronics to my boat/car/home.

It will still be the analog sounds of wind and waves for now aboard the Gypsy!

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ruachwrights
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Response Posted - 11/23/2010 : 12:56:47

I use the Iphone 4. Which though different than the ipad has many similarities. I have used the Fly to Map software and the Navionics software. Navionics is superior. I use it as my only navigation device (besides my wife's iphone 3GS). You can touch the map and call up marinas, touch the "C" and find out how many knots the current is running or if it it flowing or ebbing. You can also touch the "T" and it will show you the current tide level.

A few things I have learned is to always restart the phone at the beginning of the trip so as to close out any back ground apps. For some reason- when I had the 3G the gps seemed to get unreliable if my phone was low on memory. I have found no problems with this in the Iphone 4 or the 3GS.

Also take a moment to pinch in to zoom. Sometimes you find shallow places that are not apparent at higher zooms. Make it a habit to zoom in pretty far if navigating in unfamiliar areas.

In addition, make sure you change the power settings in the settings menu or you will be constantly turning your phone on and off. You can also manually adjust the brightness feature if you need to. I have found that the latest apple products do a good job of making the screen visible.

The iphone 4 also has a good way of multitasking so that if you do happen to get a call you can just start right back to the Navionics map where you left off instead of it closing out your map entirely.

If I did have an Ipad on the boat I would consider a case from Aquapac, Dry Case, or Trendy Digital. Some of these pacs will keep your pad floating even if it falls into the drink!

Vern Wright

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/23/2010 : 13:14:36

Vern, I have the 3GS. I have tried several navigation programs but like Navionics the best. I agree with most of what you say. But wonder does the IPhone 4 really have a much longer lasting battery then then 3GS? Also if on a long trip, how do you charge the phone? Here is where the IPad excells as the battery is even longer than both phone, plus nice huge screen.
Steve A

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Response Posted - 11/23/2010 : 17:41:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> how do you charge the phone <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Add a 12v outlet and use a car charger

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zeil
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Response Posted - 11/24/2010 : 22:23:20

Thank you guys... Still working my way through the THE 2011 ILOUNGE BUYER'S GUIDE Am looking for the following answer... Is there not a GPS device or app that will provide the IPod Touch 4.2 with continuous satellite connection for positioning without depending on wifi

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 16:51:15

I get my ipad in January. We are supposed to get ATT here (don't have it yet) so both wifi and 3g enabled as well as 64GB. I will look at both of the GPS apps.

I figure there are two inventions here--joined together they would be great. The first is a fitted transparent sleeve to keep the ipad waterproof, and the second is a panel on it to make the screen visible in sunlight.

I was getting an ipad anyway because of its kindle-like qualities. I read, and I read when we arfe anchored at night. Ipad has many apps, one of which is as an e-reader.

I'll take it all!

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 17:00:16

Steve,
Battery is a bit better on the 4. My boat has one of this cigarette lighter port things on the starboard settee next to the burner. This works with my car charger/stereo hook-up.

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 18:29:14

Henk,
Some of the basic options are here:http://www.thegpsstore.com/search/search.asp?page=1&keywords=gps+receiver&refine=y&Price=Under+%2450 Magellan recently introduce a waterproof Ipod case that includes an integrated gps receiver and an additional battery for the Ipod for $180. The price is significant, but waterproof, gps, and additional operating time is a nice package. Other than the Magellan, you will need a bluetooth wireless device to connect directly to the Ipod. A USB device can connect to a Mac laptop in the cabin, as can a handheld, like my old Etrex, with a serial output by using a serial to USB adapter. Your Mac, running MacEnc nav software, is then the base station for your wifi that the Ipod connects to. It sounds complex, but bluetooth is just a matter of turning the gps and Ipod on and typing in a provided 4 digit code the first time. The Mac will handle setting up the USB or Serial/USB adaptor with minimal input from you. Email me if you want details.

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 22:42:59

Dave & Vern, Ya I have got the cig outlet on boat and a portable charging unit with a cig outlet as well. I can use that but need the IPhone adapter. Early Xmas present. Tks.
BTW, I saw today apple has sale on IPads, $41 off. Its so tempting. Just wish it had a camera at least and a phone would be great. That will never happen.
Steve A

11-29 update: even gale winds didnt keep me away yesterday. Well not quite, I stayed below as it was even too cold but I did get the cig adapter for my IPhone and hooked it up. Worked great. Thanks for the tip. Also I saw the IPad on sale, $41 off from Apple on Black Friday. But read somewhere early next year IPhone2 will have a camera so I am waiting.

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zeil
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Response Posted - 11/29/2010 : 22:52:52

Thank you David... this is very helpful information

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