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Voyager
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Initially Posted - 11/26/2010 : 14:58:12

Most of you know your boat's previous owner, but you might not know the second previous owner (sometimes referred to as the DPO).

How many of you know the third or fourth previous owners?

Have you ever tried to go back and talk to the DPO, TPO, QPO, etc in the chain to get a sense of (1) how they used your boat?, (2) what kind of scrapes they may have gotten into?, (3) long trips or cool places they had sailed? and (4) stories they may have about their families' experiences while sailing your now very familiar friend?

Maybe name changes? And of course, why they decided to sell the boat.

It really puts things into a different perspective for me. My PO Bill and his wife enjoyed Passage in nearby waters for a year before I bought her. I got to know Bill pretty well. Dave Bristle, my DPO, has regaled us on occasion us about his experiences with Passage.

Bruce Ross
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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 17:00:22

While we don't know the original owners - we do know our first boat (a C22) came from OH, brought it to PA and later traded it (plus cash) for a C25 in WV which originally came from OH that we brought to PA. Should I diagram this?

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 19:46:46

My boat came from the Wayzata YC. It raced well and I bought her from the first owner in Plymouth, MN, whose wife wanted him to abandon it for an RV with which they would head to thew southwest in the winter. I called and emailed him when I had gotten the boat set up in a club in western Minnesota. There was no reply. Two months later his wife answered my email, apologizing that she had not returned my calls. Her husband had died of a heart attack preparing the RV for its first trip. We still remember him in our prayers, AND we won't sell our C25. I will haul it to Maine next year for its first ocean bath.

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 20:05:27

In my parlance, "DPO" stands for D---ed Previous Owner. Mine was not to be totally d---ed, just complained about, a little. Passage came to me in sound condition... I hope I improved on that by adding new interior cushions, new balance rudder, new outboard, heavier-duty bracket, new running and standing rigging, reduced rainwater leaks, new bimini, new main cover, new stove (which Bruce discarded), new anchor, and I forget what else... They might add up to more than Bruce's PO paid for her!

A beautiful thing about the C-25 is that, particularly with this organization, people are drawn to them and see the value of keeping them "new". Others have done much better than I!

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 21:20:05

Dave
I still have all the gear that came with Passage, including an awesome second plow anchor under the aft port bench seat. Unfortunately, the cool stove that we've talked about was, er, "missing" by the time I got her. The rigging is in very good condition, the cushions are fantastic, could not live without the rudder and I can't say enough about the Honda.

While all the gear was well worth every penny (and then some), I was after the history, the stories, the scrapes and little every-day pleasures of sailing with friends and families in my post.

I remember the first year I had Passage, and my late father-in-law sailed out with us to the breakwater, and asked whether I had a fishing pole on this "boat". I ducked below and pulled up a 10 foot saltwater pole with 30 pound test line on it, with a rubber shad jig tied on. He said, "don't you have any real bait around here?"

My brother-in-law said "go ahead, give it a try - what do you have to loose?"

He cast it out several times to no avail, and then got 'snagged' on some junk, or so he thought. Not to be foiled, he tugged and tugged on the line, and suddenly, the old snag turned into one of the largest doormat winter flounder he'd ever seen! He landed the fish along side the boat, and we gaffed it in.

He was so freakin' proud of his prowess, and we all ate well that night. By the following June, we lost dad to a bad ticker. But we'll never forget the story and I tell the story to my stinkpotter buddies on the dock.

That's what sailing is all about. Wouldn't it be great if the ships log stayed with the boat across the decades?

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 22:29:31

Yup! I know nothing of our DPO's ventures... I've recounted some stories about our harrowing delivery of our "new" Passage from Mystic (where my late Admiral and I bought her) to Darien, and then (after Barb was gone), back to my new home in Mystic.

That first 90-mile Long Island Sound passage was testimony, to us, of Passage's ability to handle more than we wanted to... We barely avoided a 60+ squall the first day, picking up a mooring pennant in North Cove off the CT River seconds before it hit. Then two days of 30+ NW winds, including overnight, built seas that could have broken a marriage. Amazingly, they didn't, and we made home port.

Ironically, five years later, after losing my wife, a blue-water-sailor-friend and I "sailed" Passage back to Mystic--virtually no wind... We sailed for maybe one hour of an 18-hour journey. After that, sadly, Passage sat for too many days in a marina, with an owner who was a bit "lost at sea" and not into singlehanding (or doing much of anything by himself). My wonderful new partner, who lived that 90 miles back where I came from (not part of the original plan), could hardly ever enjoy her with me... Either the weather was wrong or the time was too short. So, I went over to The Dark Side--a boat that can go through anything at any time at a substantial speed, getting us to where we'd like to go and getting us back even if conditions sour...

Sorry... That's not exactly the story of Passage--it's the explanation of why I no long own a boat of which I was quite fond. That fondness, and my experience with this association even before I bought her, has kept me around. At least Bruce has his two PO's history, and he and I have met--hopefully not for the last time!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 11/26/2010 22:31:09

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Response Posted - 11/26/2010 : 23:17:01

I enjoy Dave's story but no PO story here. My 79 still has me and it just gets better. We have shared hours with family and friends and look forward to the new friends.

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Response Posted - 11/27/2010 : 12:23:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sweetcraft
 I enjoy Dave's story but no PO story here. My 79 still has me and it just gets better. We have shared hours with family and friends and look forward to the new friends.
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Same here Jim. My '84 and I have been together from the start and are still exploring each other's abilities and limits. We still suprise each other at times and still learn from each other.

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Response Posted - 11/27/2010 : 19:32:42

Gosh -- interesting thread!

The alleged original owner of #2092 sailed her from NY to the Caribbean and back during the first ten years. The second owner never sailed her but used her as a waterfront condo. One of the few times they sailed her they experienced a dismasting. Nuf said! The current owner, being a dumb a@# has been putting all of the pieces back together again! Still not sure what the difference is between the DPO and the DO.

Dave, would love to hear the story of your maiden voyage -- sounds like one I had with my Corinthian decades earlier!

Bruce, great thread! And, yes, legacy does mean something!

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 06:26:49

Purchased Gallivant new in 1988. I guess that would make me an "OO", Original Owner". After 22 years and recent retirement I'm thinking of upgrading to a 28 or 30 foot Catalina or Beneteau.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 07:20:16

There are 2 boats #4040 in the owners gallery which I find interesting.

Iris lived most of her life in Detroit area, first known as "Force 4" IIRC. Her second owner (still listed in the directory) renamed her Efficacious, which I think was actually a really good name, but was too long and I had to think hard to spell it. When she came to us we renamed her Iris. She travelled from Detroit to Toronto via boat hauler, and seems happy enough as a Canadian Citizen.

When I brought her to Canada we renamed her after the import, so on the import paperwork she is listed as "Efficacious". I hope that doesn't lead to problems in the future, especially if we ever return her to the USA or transfer ownership. The HIN should be what matters, but you never know what will be a hangup.

ETA - I think the duplicity of numbers is because of the opening of the Florida plant. The other #4040 is a 1982 boat, while ours is a 1984. The boats around #4000 jump between 1982, 1983, and 1984 without rhyme or reason. I suspect some is owners confusion (buy year versus build year) but I also suspect there was some confusion in the numbering between the California plant and the Florida plant. I think my boat is a California boat, but I forget how you tell the difference, and honestly it matters less and less where the baot was built as time goes on.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 07:32:01

ef·fi·ca·cious
#8194; #8194;[ef-i-key-shuhs]
–adjective
capable of having the desired result or effect; effective as a means, measure, remedy, etc.

That is a cool name Chris.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 07:34:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DaveR
 ef·fi·ca·cious
#8194; #8194;[ef-i-key-shuhs]
–adjective
capable of having the desired result or effect; effective as a means, measure, remedy, etc.

That is a cool name Chris.
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yeah I thought so too - but everytime I heard it I thought of Lily the Pink by the Irish Rovers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEDkVHrUWk - We nearly renamed her Lily...

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 09:07:28

DPO is any dumb previous owner, not just the second one back.

We only met the DPO of our c25 once. He abandoned it and it sat in the cradle for ten years. We did contact him via an old pager number and managed to get the sails from him. Pretty remarkable that back in 98 the guy still had the same pager from 88. It was a quick meet and exchange and that was it.

The very first week we had the boat and were transporting it back to Cleveland, we stopped in Vermillion. The Dockmaster where we stopped recognized the boat and gave us, for the most part, the story of how it got to where it is was at that point. We compiled a ton of documentation and tried to pass that on to the next owner, who from what I understand passed it along when he sold it.

The current owner contacted me this past summer telling me he wanted to put 'the flying wasp' back on the transom and asked if I had any problem with that. I don't know if he was just trying to butter me up to get info out of me or really wanted to do it I don't know. Either way, I was happy to talk about the boat and happy to let him use the name. Now that we are DPO's I try to be as accomodating as possible with whomever the current owner might be.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 09:37:38

I wish I could find out the history on my boat, somehow she got from Key Largo to the middle of Missouri. In the right light I can make out "Southern Comfort" on one side of transom and Key Largo on the other side. The marina I got it from had no clue about the boat as they took it for pay-off on a lein for work they did on a powerboat, it sat for about 5 yrs behind their shop.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 09:46:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 DPO is any dumb previous owner...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...or damned previous owner. Take your pick. I hope I'm neither--Passage wasn't perfect when I sold her to Bruce's PO, but she was better than when I bought her. Too bad I didn't buy and install the gas strut assist for the pop-top... I believe the owner between me and Bruce threw his back out lifting the pop-top, which led to him selling the boat. I could sympathize.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 13:08:48

We bought our C-25 from a fellow here in Nashville, but don't know any of the prior history. He owned a second C-25 that he brought up from Florida, an 85 model, so I had my choice for about the same price - he also owned a C-27 that he intended to keep. The 84 boat was in somewhat better condition, so I chose it. So, if anyone out there owned #4142, a 1984 TR/SK, at some time in the past, I'd like to hear about it.
We have 2 lakes here and Recess (we named her) was at the other lake/yacht club. They tried hard to get me to join and keep her there, but it would have been on a mooring and I already had a slip at "our" lake/yacht club. So, I guess the maiden voyage for us was a trip by trailer from one lake to the other (about 12 miles), with one stop to adjust the tie down straps. We moved her in November, three years ago, after the bottom painting was done. I was sweating the move because painter was dragging his feet and the Corps of Engineers was already dropping the lake to winter pool. As it turned out we almost didn't get her off the trailer. The motor, which started just fine at the other lake, would not start, and she would not float off. I had to get our C-22 out of the slip and bring it around to help pull Recess clear of the trailer pads.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 13:54:15

We could start the parlance second previous owner, third previous owner, etc, (SPO, TPO, etc) I guess. DPO seems like it's Latin for something.....

Just following up on Dave's story about Passage's PO, I was really sorry when I learned that Bill had hurt his back. He's such a great guy, but my backstory on Passage is that I landed on this forum looking for a C25 (I knew that I wanted one) and both Puff in Westport CT and Passage in Noank (Groton CT) were available on the Swap Meet.

Puff's owners (two ministers) sailed the boat about 20 nm to Milford to give me a test drive. It was "quaint", but pretty run down. Still had an alcohol stove. It probably needed stuff like rigging, wiring and other things I wasn't aware of, and it had a port and starboard settee with a fold-down table. I liked the layout.

At the same time, I inquired about Passage but hadn't yet made an offer as I was getting my finances in line to buy the boat, and that's when Bill and Dave signed the deal. So, I remained boatless and paddled my kayak and sailed my 16' Sunbird Voyager (hence my handle) that year.

After Dave's well documented transit from Mystic to Milford, I happened to be paddling in Milford and saw this beauty for the first time. I hailed the Cap'n, I paddled over, he introduced his lovely wife and we talked for a while. I asked him how he found the boat, and related the story that I had seen the boat on the forum. He said she's a beauty, and he was having a great time sailing her, and had plans to do a lot of cruising that summer. I wished him good luck, and good times.

That next season, I got a call or an email (can't remember which) and it was Bill who offered Passage to me. It was December or January, so she was already on the hard and put up for the winter, and we signed the deal.

I set about prepping her for the coming season and found the local Brewer's Yacht Yard for her summer residence. Life just got a lot better for me since that lucky day.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 14:09:25

My '82 was Owned by an attorney at the lake on the Other side of town, the lake I do not sail. It was maintained professionally by the Catalina dealer here in the area; maintained is defined as hauled, painted, and launched each year. It needed a lot when I got her. The lawyer developed Parkinson's and eventually shot himself, I bought the boat from his widow through the local dealer acting as broker. She wanted 12 and I gave her 7, I put thousands of dollars into that boat but got more value in knowledge out of her so it was a fair deal when I sold her for my asking price of 9.

My '89 was bought new by the previous owner who seemed to be a pissed off marine who refused to admit he didn't really want a sailboat, so she sat in the water for years and then on a trailer for a decade. It explains why she had original bottom paint on her when I bought her. I tried to buy her for several years and the guy would not even talk to me, one day he called me and asked if I wanted to buy the boat. He was ashamed of the condition of her and sold her to me for 50% of NADA; $4750. I only put about 2 thousand in her and sold her for my asking price of 12.5. I hope both owners love the boats as much as I loved them.
My current non C25 boat was owned by an officer of KOCH, yes that KOCH. She was wearing filp-flops on the dock and drove a VLS, (very large splinter), through the sole and into her foot; three surgeries later she was walking again but lost the desire to own a boat. She sat on a trailer with dirty sheets on the v-berth for two years before I bought her. I am going to try to keep my investment in this one to a minimum.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 15:36:06

Gypsy's PO was Steve who sailed in the winter on the Chesapeake Bay, you may remember. He reported his adventures and several upgrades in this Forum as 77Gypsy. He advertised the [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=10329&SearchTerms=gypsy"]boat for sale on the swap meet,[/url] but I responded to an ad on Craigslist. I got a good deal at $4500 with a new Ullman main and 110 jib, a Honda 9.9, and lots of other extras!

Steve had already bought a Beneteau 23 First and seemed to need the cash quick. Someone else looked at the Gypsy before me and kindly reserved a slip at my future marina that I was glad to pay for, avoiding a year or so waiting list or else looking for another marina.

Before that, Steve told me that the boat had been somewhere in Florida, and before I know that it was in Michigan from a sticker on the VHF radio. But I don't know those PO's.

There are traces on the deck, in the cabin, and especially on the bottom of many adventures and equipment come and gone.

There is also a sticker on the transom of the Gypsy from one of the PO's membership in the C25/C250 International Association before the inclusion of the Capri 25's.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 16:30:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Voyager
 ...Just following up on Dave's story about Passage's PO, ...both Puff in Westport CT and Passage in Noank (Groton CT) were available on the Swap Meet. ...I inquired about Passage but hadn't yet made an offer as I was getting my finances in line to buy the boat, and that's when Bill and Dave signed the deal...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Actually, I posted Passage on the Swap Meet on a weekday afternoon and got a call from Bill about 45 minutes later. He had been called by a friend who I believe was a C-25 PO. Bill wanted to drive up to Mystic that afternoon, but his wife couldn't get away. Passage was looking pretty good, but I thought I'd have a few days to shine her up. (I know the value of "curb appeal"!) They arrived at the marina the next morning, stepped aboard, went below, came back up, walked around the deck, made an offer, I countered, they countered and then gave me a check. I never even started the Honda. They were having trouble hiding their excitement, but they got a good deal, considering that it was within the first 24 hours. Part of the deal was I sailed her half-way to their home, and they took her the rest of the way.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 17:15:41

I think Bill got his investment back, plus, when he found me.... I must admit, I was champin' at the bit when he called me.

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