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Ben
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Initially Posted - 11/25/2002 : 09:22:04

Hello All,

My wife and I looked at C25 Hull #5553 this weekend in Michigan. We met the surveyor there to inspect the boat (details of which I will post here when I get the final report).

The boat does not have a stove, which from reading in other posts is not necessarily a bad thing due the to propensity of the stove to ingite the curtains.

What about using a portable propane stove instead of the alcohol stove? My brother uses one on his little house boat, but I haven't seen any posts about it here. It would seem cheap, compact, and easy. Is there something wrong with using them?

As always, any insight is greatly appreciated.

Ben

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OJ
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Response Posted - 11/25/2002 : 10:52:34

Hey Ben,
A portable propane unit would work fine - but I would devise a way to fasten it down - for that an unexpected wake.
Hope the survey and price work out!

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Rick Heaverly 86 C25 5382
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 08:04:19

we have (had) the traditional "curtain burner", the admiral ordered it off the boat. we spent around $15 at kmart and got a two burner propane. we store it under the port salon when under sail. the only downfall is the smell of propane when connecting or disconnecting the small portable tanks.

Rick Heaverly
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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 09:13:09

The main downfall of propane is that it is heavier than air and very explosive. Alcohol is not heavier than air. I have a C-250 which comes with a propane stove. But the tank is in the cockpit locker so it is not vented to the bilge. Also there is a solenoid switch inside the cabin to turn the gas off at the tank. My old C-22 had an alcohol stove, but I like the propane better. Just take the proper precautions. I personally have seen two boats burn to the waterline. One of them I rescued a man and woman out of the water (I was running a crew boat at work.) Those were gasoline fires. SAFETY FIRST. First thing I always do when boarding my boat is a sniff test of the bilge even though it is unlikely that there would be fumes. This also gives me a chance to see if any water is coming in. That is unlikely too... but you never know.

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Safe voyages,
Ben, FL s/v Chick-a-pea C250wk

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 11:30:16

Two other options:
- Portable butane stove--generally single burners with small cannisters. The fuel for either that or the propane stove should be stored in an external location where any gas cannot run down into the bilge.
- Origo alcolol stove (1 or 2 burners), which installs just like the original pressurized curtain-burner, but does not require any rituals to start and does not flare up. As stated above, alcohol eliminates concerns about fume buildup and potential explosions. It just dissapates, and is not nearly as volatile. It's the more expensive unit, but the fuel is cheaper and requires no special safety regimen--it's only slightly more dangerous than water.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 11:51:19

Propane isn't a problem. Those who get the smell when putting the bottle away are not following the procedures. I.E. Shut of the valve at the bottle and burn the fuel left in the line before disconnecting from the stove. Propane stove can be taken outside. Propane can also be used on the grill if you have one. Propane heats and cooks ten times faster. ((( More fires and accidents occur with Alcohol than propane))) Boat US insurance claims stats. Propane canisters are easy to find and not expesive. I used a two burner camp stove for a long time. Then I conerted my old curtain burner to propane. Beats waiting for 1/2 hour for coffee.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 12:16:53

"((( More fires and accidents occur with Alcohol than propane))) Boat US insurance claims stats. - Douglas

You don't think that could be attributed to the fact that the overwhelming majority of stoves in use are alcohol, do you?

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 13:26:39

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You don't think that could be attributed to the fact that the overwhelming majority of stoves in use are alcohol, do you?
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...and pressurized, at that.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 13:42:00

We have a stern grill and also put a microwave in where the stove went, it works great at the dock when the 110 ac is running!

If you plan on taking a lot of trips where cooking on board is a preferred method of dining, get a origo or similar stove....

If not, Thats a great area to add counter top and or more galley storage. (read wine and rum storage)

dw

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 17:27:39

No I dont think its because there are more alcohol stoves. I think its because they are dangerous when not used properly. I.E. running out of fuel and trying to refill when still hot. Spilling fuel, and a flame you cant see. But I guess you could pick any argument you want. The fact is there are still more accidents with them.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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William Matley
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 20:37:39

I use a 2 burner propane camp stove that I converted to a "built in" works great, hot, fast, cheap to operate. I have no complaints or regrets.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 20:50:05

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I use a 2 burner propane camp stove that I converted to a "built in" works great, hot, fast, cheap to operate. I have no complaints or regrets.
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 William - Sounds like a good idea. Do you have pictures or could you describe what you did. What “camp stove” do you use? 

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Doug
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Response Posted - 11/27/2002 : 21:25:55

Here's our galley set up. Butane works great outside or in!
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Doug - #1913 Noeta

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Walt
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Response Posted - 11/30/2002 : 18:52:40

Doug,
That arrangement looks pretty neat. Is that the original counter top or did you install it yourself.

Thanks
Walt

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/01/2002 : 12:13:52

Doug - I admire your taste in bourbon <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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Doug
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Response Posted - 12/01/2002 : 18:32:24

Previous owner installed the counter. I did the pull out shelf. The shelf locks in or out so the stove is tucked away when not in use. Stove & shelf are also thin enough so there's room for cutting boards and the silverware trays underneath. I think I've only cooked inside a couple of times, so it's nice having the stove out of the way. Usually cook outside.
And yes, the bourbon is good

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Doug - #1913 Noeta

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