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Slingerland
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Initially Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:03:50

Long story short, the family is gravitating around sailing. My sons are much more interested than my wife. We're settling down into a routine for sailing: my two sons each have a task to perform, and I handle the helm. My wife simply "supervises."

My older son is absolutely in love with sailing... so much so, that he wants to move "Novia" up to Lake Dardanelle near where he goes to college (nope, not happening.) Then suddenly another local boat came up for sale... a MacGregor 23. I suggested (tongue firmly in cheek) that perhaps he could restore it. It's been neglected but as an engineering student, my son LOVES challenges.

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1979 C-25 #1435, "Novia"

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Slingerland
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:05:02

BTW, the asking price is $400.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:29:24

If there are serious problems with the hull, then I'd pass cuz you don't want to get stuck being the guy that has to dispose of that much fiberglass BUT if the hull is safe, I'd buy that thing in a New York minute for an aspiring engineer that loves projects. New standing and running rigging $1000. New sails another $1000. The cost of a new pressure washer, <s>wax and pro quality buffer</s>, $500 and the kids got a boat. Unfortunately, you lose part of your crew. Good thing the C25 is an easy singlehander.

Maybe new paint instead of a wax and buff job for the hull.

Edited by - John Russell on 12/06/2010 14:39:50

John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:30:52

Oh, yeah, probably a new rudder as well but maybe the engineer could build one that would be safe for an inland lake. Good chance to learn about fiberglass.

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Slingerland
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:38:56

And it includes a trailer. But somehow my wife and son are balking at it.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:45:58

Different story then. I thought your son was interested. Now, recalling recent discussions about your wife's love of sailing,

it just looks more like a derelict to me.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:04:09

Love that traveler!

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:10:24

POS run

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OJ
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:19:22

FWIW - My son seemed to have a light-bulb moment with sailing this past season, i.e., he fell in love with it. He is very interested in acquiring a Hobie Cat in the 16' range. He was a big help getting our new-to-us C25 ready for launch. He too loves a challenge and really throws himself into projects he enjoys. But because of that I've dissuaded him from doing this while attending college - as I fear his grades will suffer, or he'll discover he doesn't have time for the boat and it will sit unfinished.

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Slingerland
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:34:41

My son is having the same issues as OJ's. What I've learned since emailing these photos to my son is:

1) He want's MY boat up at Lake Dardanelle. I suspect he wants it to be a floating love shack.

2) He realzes he has to invest his time in his classes, and this little boat would need too much time and money. (Or, he's just plain lazy and doesn't want to work for it...)

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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:47:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Slingerland
 . . . I suspect he wants it to be a floating love shack . . . <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yep, we have a floating college harem on our lake

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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:52:11

If your son loves sailing...a nice little daysailer, like an older Chrysler Bucaneer or similiar, would better suit his needs at college. No slip fees and very little investment.

Edited by - klassi1 on 12/06/2010 15:53:19

Voyager
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:58:34

I have to agree with Frank. Run, don't walk.

But if your son really wants to sail, a dinghy is a great place to get started. Totally agree with klassi1.

A Laser, O'Day 16, Sunfish, Sunbird, Widgeon, you name it - this time of year you can literally name your price. The benefit is that if it turns out to be a dog, it's either cheaper to fix, or cheaper to dispose of. If worse come to worse, he can hang a 50HP engine off the back and use it for a bass boat.

By the way, when I saw the photo of the interior of the boat, I could literally smell the mold, fungus and old sneaker (tennis shoe) smell somehow. Yech!

Edited by - Voyager on 12/06/2010 16:03:39

Davy J
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 16:27:21

Does your son love sailing, or fixing up boats. They are two different things. A smart person on this forum (I do not remember who) said a $10,000 boat is a $10,000 boat. You can pay upfront or pay as you go. From the photos, That boat isn't worth the docklines it is attached to. But what do I know

Maybe you could find a C22.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 18:58:01

Hey,

I'll sell him/you my '89 SR/WK.

Actually a day sailor would be perfect.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 19:24:06

I agree with Frank & Bruce. I wouldn't have that boat if it was given to me.
Don't just run away - sprint away!

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Response Posted - 12/06/2010 : 19:55:19

$400 huh? Who pays whom? (I asked a hooker that question once.)

Has your son ever been exposed to something like a Hobie 16? (or even a 14...) That's a whole different kind of sailing! Anyway, this is a good time in your son's life to learn to look around and learn about his options before jumping into the deep end of an empty pool.

And John... Paint? Bite your tongue!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 12/06/2010 19:55:44

John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/07/2010 : 07:51:10

You're right again, Dave.

I wasn't advocating it. I just noticed that it is already a painted hull-- peeling on the transom.

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Response Posted - 12/07/2010 : 09:32:48

Oh, you're right... and rubbed off on the side. A lesson...

The Venture (Mac) 23 was kind of a cute little cutter-rigged boat with a classic sheer and cabin design. This one is no longer cute. And somebody did something strange to the forward section of the cabintop.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 12/07/2010 09:36:49

islander
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Response Posted - 12/07/2010 : 14:52:19

I say we move this one to the ugliest boat thread.....Boy thats rough.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 12/07/2010 : 19:23:02

Guess you get to keep the C25 now?

This baot looks like junk.

Laser, Hobie, better for a college kid. (But no stabbin' cabin.)

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Response Posted - 12/08/2010 : 06:15:12

I bought my first boat when I was in college. A Pearson 30. At the time I was selling cemetary plots after school and had made a few big sales, so I bought a reasonably run down P30 for under $10K and cleaned it up. Sneak aboard slip in Marina del Rey and a motorcycle and I was all set... Oh ladies?!!!!

I think I learned more about the fairer sex than most during those years, and I strongly recommend the experience. If your son is really committed to sailing, this experience will help him stay away from the Diva's and find the real girls... Porta potti test!!!

This might not be the boat, but the idea is sound... And um, chicks dig boats with cabins. No cabin, no slabbing!

I have pics of when I was 19 and had rented a 21 foot something and put a few friends aboard. Champagne and strawberries and other goodies completed the program. The beautiful girl with the well found flotation devices had brought her boyfriend along and he decided to sit down below - needless to say he got sick and went home after by himself, so the fearless captain got the girl after all...

sten

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 12/08/2010 : 08:32:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 I bought my first boat when I was in college. A Pearson 30. At the time I was selling cemetary plots after school and had made a few big sales, so I bought a reasonably run down P30 for under $10K and cleaned it up. Sneak aboard slip in Marina del Rey and a motorcycle and I was all set... Oh ladies?!!!!

This might not be the boat, but the idea is sound... And um, chicks dig boats with cabins. No cabin, no slabbing!

sten
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Yeah, if I had it all to do over again, I would have bought and fixed up a live aboard instead of blowing all that money on apartments over the years when I was single.

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