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Initially Posted - 12/08/2010 : 13:21:59

We don't have an 'Anchor Roller', but we do have a brown streak where the old corroded anchor chain lay in front of the anchor locker. (We have just replaced the anchor chain with one of those Nylon coated chains from West Marine)

So the Dumb question is: What and how do you use an Anchor Roller?

Does the anchor line 'roll' over it?

When we go to anchor, I will engage the anchor line from the water, in the port side forward chock and then back to the port side Cleat.
If I put out two anchors, I'll do the same for the second anchor but on the Stbd Side. The loose end of the lines then go from the cleats back to the chocks, and then back inside the Anchor Locker.

So I'm not sure of the benefits of an Anchor Roller on a boat like ours. I can see that in a larger vessel, the anchor chain would run over the anchor roller, saving any marking of the hull, but on a C250???

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Paul

I Know, it's probably different on a C25, but I see more C25' with Anchor Rollers than C250's.

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Response Posted - 12/08/2010 : 14:22:17

Most people LOVE them on the boats they have them on. Especially with an electric winch. Push button anchoring. It is really cool.

Still pretty cool with your hands, pull up the anchor, it pulls up into the slot and pin the chain and you are done.

The only con I've ever heard is ramming the dock or another boat with the anchor off the front which I think is unlikely.

I don't know how well they work on this specific boat. May not be room for all I know.

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Response Posted - 12/08/2010 : 14:48:06

[url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=584&ParentCat=35"]Anchor rollers[/url] are nice Paul. Didn't see one at CD for a 250 though. Keeps the anchor away from the hull. And then you get a [url="http://www.jmsonline.net/anchor-delta-fastset-14lb.htm"]plow style anchor[/url] that rolls on and off the most efficiently and you're peachy!

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Response Posted - 12/08/2010 : 15:47:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 Most people LOVE them on the boats they have them on. Especially with an electric winch. Push button anchoring. It is really cool.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yubetcha!

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Response Posted - 12/08/2010 : 17:20:07

I used to merely use my anchor roller to pull in the anchor rode - 3-strand and chain, and then I would lift the danforth anchor out of the water and stow it in the anchor locker. That made sense.

Then one day it dawned on me that I could pull all the rode up over the roller and the anchor came right up, too. That made a LOT of sense.

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Response Posted - 12/13/2010 : 13:32:50

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/tt022.asp

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Response Posted - 12/13/2010 : 20:06:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 The only con I've ever heard is ramming the dock or another boat with the anchor off the front which I think is unlikely.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Friends of ours racing their C-22 got a Plow Anchor through a portlight when things didn't go as planned in a race. Apparently its hard to get teh anchor out of teh boat without really ripping up the deckhouse. At least that was their experience.

One of our race rules now is no roller-mounted anchors.

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Response Posted - 12/13/2010 : 20:54:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 Friends of ours racing their C-22 got a Plow Anchor through a portlight when things didn't go as planned in a race. Apparently its hard to get teh anchor out of teh boat without really ripping up the deckhouse...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Did they think about releasing the rode, disconnecting the shackle, and carrying the anchor out through the companionway?

I was rammed by the anchor on the bow of a Stonington police boat... Long story, but only a few scratches, after I tried to fend them off with my hands.

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Response Posted - 12/13/2010 : 22:05:04

I wasn't there Dave, but I have heard the story from both sides and it ain't pretty. From what I heard the boats were locked together pretty good.

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 06:13:11

Anchor Ram Head, I can see that racing (where skippers want to get close to the boat in front of them) with a roller mounted anchor would be an issue. We carry our 2nd anchor hanging on the bow rails, it's secured with webbing.

From the discussion so far, I'm not inclined to add an anchor roller to our boat.

even if it does look cool

Thanks for the input guys.

Paul

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 08:42:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 Anchor Ram Head...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Ya, you don't wanna get in my way!

(See Ram Head above.)

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 09:29:29

Yepper.. But I will probably add an anchor roller for one of the "Modified River" anchors I use. A variant of the mushroom, and is pretty much widely used for smaller fishing boats in the south, in the mud. I'd like to split the anchor locker. ( I normally use 2 anchors ) Add a teak breast plate and roller. Kinda like this...and I don't expect to go to roller furling...

But that is in the ---FUTURE--- after I finish up about a thousand other projects....

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 09:43:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 ...and I don't expect to go to roller furling...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">None of that should prevent roller furling if you want it. If you do much anchoring, especially with two anchors, I would think you'd love a furler--to eliminate the big pile of Dacron on your foredeck and anchor locker. Pull the string and zzzzzip! No genny!

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 10:13:06

RE: Roller Furling..

Yepper.. I just don't expect it anytime soon. Maybe one day. I've used it before on a 30 foot catalina and loved it.. I'm thinkin on this boat I'll stay with hank ons... I want to give the swab something to do.

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 12:46:58

While reading this post about anchor rollers it reminded me of a question I had: (note: I would have started a new topic but while those interested in this topic might be following I thought...)

I have an 89 wing with anchor roller.

While at anchor if you feed the rode through the roller you can't secure the rode to either of the two bow cleats. There is a slightly smaller cleat inside the anchor locker but the rode would be pulling "up" on the cleat instead of sideways.

If you use the bow cleats and run the rode through the anchor roler then the rode rides on the sharp edage of the roller frame.

Anybody know what I mean and have ideas? Has anybody else seen this? Is the cleat in the anchor locker beefy enough?

I thought of a bridle between the two bow cleats?

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 13:45:52

IMHO, the anchor locker itself isn't beefy enough, so a cleat bolted to it won't be, either. I suspect that cleat was intended for the bitter end of the rode, as a safety against it being lost overboard. I installed a small u-bolt in there for the same purpose.

I suggest either of two things:

- After you've payed out your rode to the point where you want to set the anchor, loop it back from the roller to a bow cleat and cleat it, leaving the line loose from the cleat to the roller to the locker, or...

- Mount a beefy cleat on the deck aft of the anchor locker (with backer).

Since my roller extends beyond the bow, to prevent excess leverage against it from wave action or "hunting" when anchored long-term (overnight or more), I loop the rode back and cleat it, even though I have two cleats in position aft of the roller. This also takes the load off my windlass.

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Response Posted - 12/14/2010 : 15:43:00

Like Dave said above, Just grab the anchor rode in front of the roller and pull it back to the cleat. Keep the line outside of the pulpit, Not over it. On light wind days you can use this method to turn the boat by taking the line from the bow cleat back to a mid-ship cleat ( The boat will lay sideways to the wind) or back to the stern cleat ( Boat will face opposite from the anchor)to get away from the sun beating down in the cockpit or in your eyes. If the wind picks up just release the line from the cleat and the boat will return to facing into the wind and will still be cleated at the bow.

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Response Posted - 12/15/2010 : 06:28:55

<< Add a teak breast plate >>

In my dreams....

I was figuring on adding something like the breast plate with something for the line to go around and cleat to on the port side as the anchor locker hatch blocks the port side cleat.

Hey... it could happen....

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Response Posted - 12/15/2010 : 08:27:43

I'm not sure what the teak plate is there for... If you put cleats where those chocks are, they should still be bolted through the deck (which those chocks don't appear to be). Unless it's epoxied to the deck (a dubious proposition), the plate probably wouldn't increase the cleats' strength because they would be on longer bolts, higher off the deck, creating more leverage against the backing washers or plate under the deck. (Note that the stem fitting is still on the deck--not on the plate.)

The whole thing is cute, but not particularly functional IMHO. Maybe the ice on the river is numbing my brain...

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Response Posted - 12/15/2010 : 10:51:16

My thinking was a way to keep the roller screws off the deck and possibly extend the deck forward under the roller.

Just a thought and a shot of a design someone else is using. Currently there is not much room up there. Not an actual design, just the beginning of an idea... something to bolt the maidenhead onto.

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Response Posted - 12/15/2010 : 12:06:47

I found the CDI furler crowded my roller to the point that it was very hard to use both effectively and physically.

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