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Another bleach bottle loses keel - Nobody noticed!

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redviking
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Initially Posted - 01/03/2011 : 07:18:35

http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/190-charter-boat-loses-keel-and-no-one-noticed

Word!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 01/03/2011 : 08:49:19

Sounds like some very lucky charter folks. Amazing that the boat could go that far before someone noticed the missing keel.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 01/03/2011 : 10:42:02

I like that!

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/03/2011 : 10:50:27

Any of the older boats I have seen would fill with water and sink if the keel was torn off it. I wonder how the Jeanneau keel is attached so that the boat's watertight integrity remained intact. I think it's undeniable that, in many respects, modern boats are designed better, built better and sail better, but when you price the new ones, it makes you appreciate our older, more affordable boats.

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 01/03/2011 : 12:38:56

Amazing on several fronts! . . . . I guess i don't have to worry about those keel bolts as much as i thought I did . . . .

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Response Posted - 01/03/2011 : 15:09:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 Any of the older boats I have seen would fill with water and sink if the keel was torn off it. I wonder how the Jeanneau keel is attached so that the boat's watertight integrity remained intact.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Apparently the bolts sheered off under the hull, and perhaps were covered by stringers inside... a breakaway keel!

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 01/03/2011 : 21:49:09

Shouldn't charters have special markings?

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/03/2011 : 22:39:15

So Jim... Is that a picture of California fog or a white-out snowstorm?

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/04/2011 : 09:01:25

This is sorta Cynthia Woodsy... A Shannon, Valiant, Cabo Rico, Alberg, Pacific Seacraft, Island Phuket or any other well built vessel would NOT just have the keel sheered off, regardless of when it was built. These cracker jack box boats are fragile... Handle with care. People have died when this stuff has happened...

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 01/04/2011 : 09:51:57

I'm really lost on this...I'll accept not sinking, and sloppy steering...but how is it possible the thing didn't roll the moment they went onto a beam reach

Call me skeptical, but I'm not buying it at all...really - it's gotta be a hoax....no

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Response Posted - 01/04/2011 : 10:45:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jerlim
 ...but how is it possible the thing didn't roll the moment they went onto a beam reach

Call me skeptical, but I'm not buying it at all...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'd call it plausible... Like a lot of charterers, they were apparently motoring around most (or virtually all) of the time. And they weren't that familiar with the boat's handling characteristics. In a gentle breeze, the very broad stern of a "modern" cruiser gives a fair amount of initial stability--like an unballasted daysailer. The inboard engine, water, and fuel tanks down in the bilge are effectively ballast. The sharp bow gives some directional stability and lateral resistance--not that much, but like a powerboat... (thus the comments about strange handling.)

Cynthia Woods had a very different hull and powerful sailplan that relied on a very deep bulb keel, and they sailed her hard--not like a casual charterer.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/04/2011 : 17:46:05

I've seen enough "proof" on the internet to believe it's true, but it's still hard to believe that the boat went out on charter again and nobody suspected anything was wrong. If you sailed at all, how could you not notice that it didn't point well, and if you tacked, how could you not notice that it tacked as if it was dragging a drogue? A boat without a keel would sail to windward like Columbus' Santa Maria. With no significant lateral resistance, it would only sail at a broad angle to the wind. Even though it's a boat with a modern broad beam,, to provide form stability, the boat would be in danger of capsize if sailed in winds over about 12-15 kts. How could sailors not notice that, if they sailed the boat at all? It's a puzzler, for sure!

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OJ
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Response Posted - 01/04/2011 : 19:00:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 How could sailors not notice that, if they sailed the boat at all?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Complete amateurs?

Total drunks?

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/04/2011 : 19:02:28

This guy passed up a freighter and just took the fuel instead of a safe ride and made it 800 miles?

http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2010-08-18&dayid=468

I want an Oyster.... geez...

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/04/2011 : 19:33:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 How could sailors not notice that, if they sailed the boat at all?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Complete amateurs? Total drunks?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...or motorsailors in very light air, which is suggested in the story... And somebody felt it was behaving strangely, but probably wasn't familiar enough with the boat to know just how strangely. If there's no wind, there's no big problem (except a little extra sway).

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