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OJ
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Initially Posted - 01/15/2011 : 17:25:00

If for no other reason than to prove my morbid sense of humor - watch the feet of the foredeck person as she does a back flip overboard. Also watch the girl who takes over the tiller when the skipper moves forward in the cockpit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whSHw4k2yLo

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 01/15/2011 : 17:50:27

I've seen this here before but, it is worth looking at again to learn. Did you notice how close the boom came to hitting the guy in the white hat -- Twice!? In fact, I'm not sure it didn't hit him. I never realized the boom on a Capri was so low. I thought the helmsperson kept her cool pretty well she regained the tiller as soon as she was sure she wasn't going over herself.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 01/15/2011 : 17:52:43

I think you can learn a lot watching from this video.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 01/15/2011 : 18:49:31

You racer guys are all nuts.

He is flying the spin with a reefed main isn't he?

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OJ
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Response Posted - 01/15/2011 : 20:04:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 You racer guys are all nuts.

He is flying the spin with a reefed main isn't he?
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Like I said, you can learn a lot from this video

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 12:01:56

this is the best crew I've seen for a long time....

BTW: I like that camera holding system.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 12:13:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tomas Kruska
 this is the best crew I've seen for a long time....

BTW: I like that camera holding system.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I agree. When this video was first posted, the crew took a lot of criticism, but considering the youth of most of them, and considering the fact that they're sailing a hot boat, and pushing it hard in blustery conditions, they really did very well. I've raced with a lot of grown-ups who wouldn't have done any better.

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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 14:10:25

They say somebody kept an eye on her in the water--I didn't see that. I also didn't see a throwable PFD or any other kind of marker go in immediately (or ever).

I guess one of the things you learn from this is to do MOB drills, including with a spin up (pretending its the foredeck crew who's gone over, since they're the likely candidate). Good thing they had a spectator boat nearby.

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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 14:48:11

Overall, I think they did pretty well after getting themselves into this position; however, I agree with Dave. Continuous visual contact requires a dedicated observer, not intermittent checking by the helmsman and a ring or pole should have gone over immediately.

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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 16:46:36

I think you're being a wee bit kind. If you listen and watch carefully it becomes pretty apparent that the crew is not adequately trained and is underpracticed - especially for those winds. In all fairness, I suppose, perhaps the regular race crew took the weekend off.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 17:12:42

It's always hard to discern from a video exactly what happened, because we can't see what the crew saw through their eyes. After the crew went overboard, the skipper looked back at her, and then returned his attention to working the boat. The helmsman also watched her briefly and turned back to steering. The older man, in the cockpit, pulled a crew member into the cockpit and then watched the MOB and waved aft to someone, I'd guess the chase boat. I believe he saw that the chase boat was on the spot and retrieving her quickly, and he didn't need to watch for her anymore, so he turned his attention back to the boat. Since the crew was wearing a pfd, throwing another one would probably have been superfluous. The chase boat must have retrieved her quickly, because she re-boarded the boat at the end of the sequence.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 19:14:21

Throwing a marker is a visual aid regardless of what the COB is wearing. The helmsman looked from the water to the boat several times, but we'll never know what was going on back there. True, an edited video doesn't really give you all the information necessary to do a valid critique. Its like a cellphone video of a cop slamming a poor old man against a wall without the previous 10 seconds of the poor old man bouncing his beer can of the officer's head. Opinions based on inadequate information certainly do keep us entertained and the words flowing in the off season though.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 01/17/2011 : 20:04:24

Looks like the crew on the starboard side wearing the blue life jacket was watching and waved at the spectator boat that went after the MOB person.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/18/2011 : 07:31:21

If I remember correctly, this was a training race and the skipper was the instructor. he took the films as a teaching tool.

I also believe the race was at Lake Wayzatta near Minneapolis, Minnesota, where they take there racing seriosly, including the use of chase boats for man-overboard safety. If we have any Capri members left I'm sure one of them will verify.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 01/18/2011 : 08:15:58

It's also very possible that the boat that picked her up was on it about immediately, negating the crew's need to keep an eye.

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Response Posted - 01/18/2011 : 08:27:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 If I remember correctly, this was a training race and the skipper was the instructor. he took the films as a teaching tool.

I also believe the race was at Lake Wayzatta near Minneapolis, Minnesota, where they take there racing seriosly, including the use of chase boats for man-overboard safety. If we have any Capri members left I'm sure one of them will verify.
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That's the way I remember it too, Al. This skipper was clearly a very skilled sailor. When the boat lurched, and the crew went over, his immediate reaction was to throw his weight to windward, in an effort to keep the boat from broaching, in which case the entire crew might have ended up in the water. He looked to see if she was ok, and, we can't know for sure, but I believe he saw that the chase boat was already on the scene, so he turned his attention back to getting the situation on the boat under control. Two other crew members were watching the COB until they thought it was no longer necessary. At one point, just before the crew went over, he started to get the spinnaker under control, pulling in the sheet while the helmsman steered downwind in coordination with him. After the crew went over, he went forward and got the spinnaker down quickly, and that eliminated the urgency of the situation on the boat. This was not a simple COB situation. It was a COB, complicated by a near broach at the same time. I've never seen a broach that made a crew look good. It's always chaos, and everyone is concerned first about hanging on, so they don't go in the water, further complicating the situation, and you simply can't throw a floatation device or marker when you're off balance and hanging on with both hands. Sometimes you have to trust that the safety measures that you took in advance are enough.

Without a doubt, I would have trusted my son with the skipper, and it appears he taught the young crew to react appropriately in response to an emergency.

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superbob
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Response Posted - 01/18/2011 : 16:52:19

If and when I'm racing there's no way I'd have 6 people on board. That's just too many people on board for the skipper to keep track of . .. regardless of the conditions . . you're racing. Why carry extra weight and people in a small craft? It's apparent that most were in the way and a liability.

Remember being a Boy Scout or Girl Scout? Be prepared was the first order of business . . . a motto each of us should have imbued in our minds. These people were not prepared nor properly trained for a close to worse case scenario.

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Response Posted - 01/18/2011 : 19:12:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by superbob
 If and when I'm racing there's no way I'd have 6 people on board. That's just too many people on board for the skipper to keep track of...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Helmsman, main trimmer, jib trimmer, foredeck, pit, and rail-meat...
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">These people were not prepared nor properly trained for a close to worse case scenario.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Some comments above suggest otherwise, or at least suggest we don't have the whole picture from that camera. (The COB might have been picked up almost immediately.) After having criticized the skipper and crew, I'll accede to that position.

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