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superbob
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Initially Posted - 01/26/2011 : 11:22:36

Due to the placement of the dockside mooring cleats it's been necessary to use a springline to keep the boat from nosing into the dock. I'd like to get away from using a springline by mounting cleats above the cockpit pockets. One day I'll install winches above the pockets, too.

I've noticed a few 250's and 25's with cleats in this location that have been mounted on an angle. I was planning on installing the cleats without an angle but straight off port and starboard much like the factory installed cleats.

Before I take to drilling 8 holes in the boat I'd appreciate some advice. Thanks.

Bob Watson
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Whiskeytown Lake CA

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 01/26/2011 : 12:34:53

I mounted an adjustable cleat on my jib track to hold my spring line. Works great.

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Response Posted - 01/26/2011 : 12:43:46

The cleat angles you see on C-25s is based on their use with the winches by somebody in the area of the helm. For spring-lines (on our C-25), I added a movable midship cleat on each genoa track--similar to this:

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 01/26/2011 12:45:43

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Response Posted - 01/26/2011 : 12:45:06

John- is that an item that can be purchased or did you have to make/modify it? Picture?

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 01/26/2011 : 13:13:23

Lower-cost option ($50):

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http://catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1622

Higher-cost option ($95), which I purchased because you can loop bowline through and around:
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http://catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1766

Both are available at other places like WestMarine.

These give excellent support for the fore-aft motion that a spring line or breast line restricts. There is considerable debate about whether transverse forces (perpendicular to the sail track) would rip the track off the roof if you tried to use this to secure the boat against a side bulkhead. That same question would apply for any cleat mounted with a fore-aft orientation.

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Response Posted - 01/26/2011 : 13:41:10

I have the lower one that Rick S. has pictured above. One caution -- be sure it locks in place. The ends of the jib tracks are plastic.

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Response Posted - 01/26/2011 : 15:57:16

Here's the link to [url="http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=78"]Garhauer's page[/url] where you can get them for $40. I think our tracks are the smaller ones, but I don't remember offhand. I like them well enough, and they certainly make landing the boat easier, but given the choice (now), I think I'd have gone for the nicer ones simply because they're more versatile (bowline through the middle as pointed out earlier).

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Response Posted - 01/27/2011 : 07:31:16

Thanks for all of the replies. I'm still leaning towards another set of cleats over the cockpit pockets (reinforced inside the pocket with a wide metal strip). A track mounted cleat w/springline appears to not be able to sustain the amount of force placed on it during the 40-60 mph winter winds.

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Response Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:07:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by superbob
 ...A track mounted cleat w/springline appears to not be able to sustain the amount of force placed on it during the 40-60 mph winter winds.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I won't argue that... Most of us aren't relying on dock-lines in winter winds.

For strength both laterally and longitudinally, I'll suggest a cleat like these instead of with two in-line bolts:

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 01/27/2011 08:20:39

superbob
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Response Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:45:25

Thanks, Dave. I've already purchase a set of cleats much like the one in the first photo. They're much beefier than the stock cleats and with proper reinforcement under the pockets should do the deed.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/27/2011 : 11:29:21

I have eight of those on my boat... Much easier to use with the big throat, and very sturdy, wide-spread bases.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 01/27/2011 11:30:03

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