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Davy J
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Initially Posted - 02/03/2011 : 05:12:07

I was wondering if this is an association member?

And if they had these conditions at night, Yee Haw!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymn4B9Z9oFE

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 06:11:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 I was wondering if this is an association member?

And if they had these conditions at night, Yee Haw!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymn4B9Z9oFE
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Very nice! I at first was like yeh, whatever - glad they are having fun. Then I remembered that the conditions they were in feel a lot different in our current vessel which will still roll about a bit, but not like that.

sten

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 06:19:32

Most impressed when the other vessel falls off back of wave at 3:56. Woo Hoo.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 06:45:25

That's a good 6 to 8 ft swell there. At least they were on a reach. HAD to have been a balanced rudder. Did you notice that storm ahead? Wonder how that worked out or if the storm was moving away. Nice video!

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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 08:35:42

It's an '89-90, so they do have a balanced rudder. I like their choice of half the genny alone for that reach, rather than the main alone on the other boat. (Is she calling that a "South Coast 52"? Never heard of it... Looks to me more like a Cape Dory 28 or 30.)

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 09:19:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is she calling that a "South Coast 52"? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Fairly sure she says South Coast 23.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I like their choice of half the genny alone for that reach, rather than the main alone on the other boat.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I agree, that's what I would be doing. However, it does not appear that the other boat has roller furling.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 10:07:56

That appears to be Doug and Mo Cavin on Valkyrie.
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Doug Cavin, Chandler AZ

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 11:27:14

This is Mo...logged in as Doug. I was the one shooting the video while Doug was handling the boat. We were returning from 2 weeks in the Abacos and it ended up being one very long rough night. This was taken on our way into the gulf stream. The Southcoast 23 sat much lower in the water and was a very wet ride. Shortly after this was taken I secured the camera down below and locked the hatch boards in place. Never ever trust the lying weather weasles. They said it was going to lay down and would be 2-4 by midnight in the gulf stream. They lied!

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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 11:37:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Doug C.
 This is Mo...logged in as Doug. I was the one shooting the video while Doug was handling the boat. We were returning from 2 weeks in the Abacos and it ended up being one very long rough night. This was taken on our way into the gulf stream. The Southcoast 23 sat much lower in the water and was a very wet ride. Shortly after this was taken I secured the camera down below and locked the hatch boards in place. Never ever trust the lying weather weasles. They said it was going to lay down and would be 2-4 by midnight in the gulf stream. They lied!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Notwithstanding those lying weather weasels, Mo, we're glad you made it safely, and we enjoyed the terrific video.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 12:37:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Never ever trust the lying weather weasles.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
We never ever, ever, ever trust the lying weather weasels.

And that groundhog is never right either.

How long did the crossing take? That must have been very tiring after a few hours.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 12:44:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is she calling that a "South Coast 52"? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Fairly sure she says South Coast 23.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Well, I got it partly right--both the South Coast and most Cape Dorys are Alberg designs--I just couldn't figure out the size.

Mo and Doug, you and your boat took good care of each other! I'd rather be on yours than on the SC in that situation. (Actually, I might perfer my SR/FK--except when I got to the islands.) The Stream often makes its own weather, independent of what forecasters predict around it. I know a number of people who've been spanked going across--one of them single-handing to Cuba on a 25' wooden Folkboat. You want to talk about a "wet ride"...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/03/2011 12:48:47

piseas
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 12:55:38

I am impressed with both of you and of course our Catalina 25 boats. Very nice video and should be both learning and selling tool.
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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 13:26:22

We left West End Grand Bahama at around 4 in the afternoon and docked in Lakeworth, FL around 9 the following morning. Because of the breaking following waves we could not use the motor. Jerry fired up his motor and left us behind (with our blessings) when we were about half way across. The motor on the Southcoast was mounted in the cockpit well and using the main was difficult at best. When we pulled up to the dock George (passenger in the Southcoast) was hugging the dock happy to be alive and dry.

I was trying to capture how big the waves were, but without reference they don't seem that big. Shortly after I put the camera away I asked Doug "Should I be scared yet?" His answer was "maaaybe". That was the day we decided that maybe it would be better to charter in the islands and skip that crossing.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 14:58:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Doug C.
 I was trying to capture how big the waves were, but without reference they don't seem that big.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I know what you mean. 2D pictures and video just can't quite render the actual conditions. I took some video once of when I was out in some monster breaking waves, but on replay, it just looked like small chop. I will say your close up shots of the Southcoast going up and over the waves somewhat gives an indication of the true conditions. Glad to hear you reached your destination safely and with a good sea story to share.

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Response Posted - 02/03/2011 : 18:09:13

I have seen this video before. Nice to know that you guys are part of the community. Really, really excellent video.

Vern Wright

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 02/04/2011 : 06:32:51

Great followup guys.

Doug, I looked in our database for your boat :(

When our C250WB crossed the stream, the wind was coming from Bimini (destination) and the waves Rugly! But it sure was sweet to pull into the harbor.

Your WK looks like it handled it just fine. Impressed with your Partner's composure!

Paul

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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 02/04/2011 : 06:52:18

I wonder how our swing keel would do crossing the gulf stream?..Not that I plan on it, but just wondering. Looks like you both had an excellant adventure, how long did you stay in the bahamas? any reason why you left late in the afternoon? Thanks

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 02/04/2011 : 07:41:51

This is Mo again! We have some awesome memories from both of our trips to the Bahamas. Both trips were made at night and both trips we stayed there 2 weeks. I think the reason for that is that when you arrive at your destination the sun is up and it is easier to enter the harbor. You also need to grab the weather window when it is available.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/04/2011 : 08:18:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Doug C.
 You also need to grab the weather window when it is available.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Nice grab!

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 02/04/2011 : 10:34:17

Most of the experienced cruisers in our club prefer to do crossings at night. For exactly teh reasons Mo mentions. Coming into a harbour at night, fewer distractions, weather window timing, a bunch of stuff.

The best story I have heard was one of our guys out on Georgian Bay, before GPS, travelling by dead reconing wasn't sure of his location and was nearing shoaling waters. He called out on VHF to see if any other vessels could see his lights and give a position. CG replied and asked him to key the mike and count to 30 (or whatever.) Once he was done they replied that they had triangulated his position from the towers on the bay, and gave him his current location. Not sure you would get a service like that in the daytime when those guys are a little busier.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/06/2011 : 06:58:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 Most of the experienced cruisers in our club prefer to do crossings at night. For exactly teh reasons Mo mentions. Coming into a harbour at night, fewer distractions, weather window timing, a bunch of stuff. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Our scariest moments have not been the 15 foot seas that we slid off of sideways, but rather the harbor entrances at night that we had to take because the weather was crappy outside. I remember the first time we came into Annapolis (in the dark) and got fooled by the damn cruisers on moorings who were running anchor lights!!!!

Sounds like Mo and Co did the right thing, and um.... as a side note, it's the Gulf Stream - you'll live. We'll all die from something, but, chances are your next crossing won't kill you! Don't charter - take your own boat!

sten

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Response Posted - 02/06/2011 : 08:46:02

Mo and Doug,
I'm glad to see you guys are still getting maximum joy from your boat. Great video. Are you ever going to get back to our neck of the woods or have you been thoroughly seduced by the sweet life of the islands?

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/06/2011 : 09:27:34

OK, let's review...
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Very nice! I at first was like yeh, whatever - glad they are having fun. Then I remembered that the conditions they were in feel a lot different in our current vessel which will still roll about a bit, but not like that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
...and from the same contributor...
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">...We'll all die from something, but, chances are your next crossing won't kill you! Don't charter - take your own boat!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The Viking has spoken.

(Sten will even cross with you, but in his "current vessel."

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/07/2011 : 07:01:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 OK, let's review...
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Very nice! I at first was like yeh, whatever - glad they are having fun. Then I remembered that the conditions they were in feel a lot different in our current vessel which will still roll about a bit, but not like that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
...and from the same contributor...
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">...We'll all die from something, but, chances are your next crossing won't kill you! Don't charter - take your own boat!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The Viking has spoken.

(Sten will even cross with you, but in his "current vessel."

)

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

So true, both statements are true - thanks Master Curmudgeon, Please Sir, may I have another? - but let's be realistic. The wiffey and I rode out a bunch of stuff on our C25 before she found our current vessel. Goodness gravy - the C25 is a very seaworthy vessel if properly equipped and crewed. The Gulf Stream sucks and we have seen many a cruiser waste away while waiting for the optimal window. I'll tell you what - I'll wife swap and boat swap!

My wife needs to stay with Lysistrata! But I'll move any well found C25 to and from the Bahamas provided I've got the mothership somewhere nearby.

Fine Print - Some restrictions apply. Does not apply to C250's or anything resembling a hunter... or is a Hunter.

sten

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 09:34:56

Paul,
We are in the old database. I just submitted our info to the new one.

Mike,
We might find our way back one day. Are you guys still hanging out on L dock?
We keep Valkyrie in Rocky Point, Mexico now. 4 hour drive from Chandler. When we aren't on the boat we have a land yacht we keep down there as well.

Doug

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Response Posted - 02/21/2011 : 10:11:19

Doug and Mo,

Things have really changed on L dock. Indisipline is still next to me, but with new owners. Jim was captured by the Dark-side and bought a real racing boat. Gary and Sue Norgan hauled out two years ago. Sea Fever has new owners. Joe in Oceanside is still around. There are six C-25s and lots of empty slips on L dock if you guys want to "Summer over" in San Diego.

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