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jerlim
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Initially Posted - 02/22/2011 : 08:28:05

Such a shame, seem to be really good people...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/22/501364/main20034691.shtml

Jerry

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jhinton
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 08:40:27

So sad to hear.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 08:45:18

f a duck! Really???? We just lost another cop here in St. Pete overnight. Helicopters all over looking for the guy. Seems lawlessness is everywhere.

sten

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tinob
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 09:03:42

SOB's

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

'83 cat tall/wing
sunset harbor Marina
patchogue,n.y.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 09:34:35

more details...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PIRACY?SITE=ORLAG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 09:58:38

Why do they take these bastards into custody - why not just hang 'em right away. It worked pretty well 200 years ago.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 10:00:59

In the article Jerry posted, it says that the Somali pirates currently hold about 30 ships and 660 hostages. I submit to you that none of this would be taking place if we had refused to pay the very first ransom.
With the death of 4 U.S. citizens, we need to now take a much stronger position against these people.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:18:57

Why would they break course and take such a risk?

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:20:33

By "we" I assume you mean the USA specifically. Canadian gunships have been in the gulf as well as US and British for sometime, but I think the whole fleet is having little effect. Seems we are all tied by the laws of civilization while these barbarians (pirate is too kind) have no limits on their actions.

I wonder how you eradicate these guys - it seems nearly impossible since they are coming from a lawless society.

Has any sort of order started to emerge over there? Gangs? Warlords? Seems that with the organization going into taking these boats, holding the hostages, arranging the payout, stashing the cash, etc. there must be some sort of semi-functional social order emerging.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:40:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 I submit to you that none of this would be taking place if we had refused to pay the very first ransom.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Who's we?
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">With the death of 4 U.S. citizens, we need to now take a much stronger position against these people.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Like what? Attack all of the villages along the Somali coast until we find the bodies of all (last I heard) 713 hostages? Remember, Somalia is a failed state with no functioning national government, economy, or laws. The pirates have nothing to lose--it's pretty much this or starvation for entire towns that are living off the ransoms--the pirates are local heroes. If there were an easy solution, the naval flotillas from the US and EU along the coast would have employed it.

This yacht was captured off the coast of Oman, over 400 miles from the Somali coast. If I were circumnavigating, I'd head for Capetown and skip the Suez. Better yet, I think I'll just go to Block Island and then come back.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/22/2011 11:41:12

jerlim
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:46:36

Dave's right on both accounts! I'm curious who the 'negotiations' are between ?

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:53:35

I understand that for some, the drive to deliver the Gospel as they believe it is a compelling one. Does that override the equally compelling need for a Captain to do all things possible to ensure the safety of his crew?

It seems that we often hear of people being kidnapped and killed in the name of Christ. But to intentionally put yourself and others (including Navy SEALS) in harm's way is irresponsible. That's what this Captain did. I regret the loss of life but can't help but laying a fair share of the responsibility on the Captain of the s/v Quest. This could have been avoided and he would have lived to evangelize another day.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 12:50:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 I understand that for some, the drive to deliver the Gospel as they believe it is a compelling one. Does that override the equally compelling need for a Captain to do all things possible to ensure the safety of his crew?

It seems that we often hear of people being kidnapped and killed in the name of Christ. But to intentionally put yourself and others (including Navy SEALS) in harm's way is irresponsible. That's what this Captain did. I regret the loss of life but can't help but laying a fair share of the responsibility on the Captain of the s/v Quest. This could have been avoided and he would have lived to evangelize another day.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Do we know that to be true yet? The pirates have been taking boats 200 miles offshore. Maybe the Quest was out far enough to believe she was safe. I haven't seen a report on her location when she was taken. Does anyone have any info on it?

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 13:25:12

I read an article when they were taken that reported their intentions to travel to Oman to dispense bibles. They had come from Malaysia if I recall correctly.

Edited by - John Russell on 02/22/2011 13:26:29

JohnP
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 13:54:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 ...their intentions to travel to Oman to dispense bibles.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

They must have known about the long-standing, dangerous situation with piracy in the region and chose to sail to that destination, nevertheless.

In the days of Joshua Slocum, you could repel pirates with a box of tacks on the deck! Not so when they're armed with RPG's and automatic weapons.

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jhinton
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 13:56:36

Here's the International Commercial Crime Services Live Piracy 2011 Map. Their attack id is 2011/069. They weren't anywhere that other yachts don't regularly travel. They just happened to be the unlucky ones that the pirates decided to take onboard a recreational yacht. It doesn't happen often as they mostly go after commercial ships but this is a stark reminder that it does in fact happen.

Map:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/home/piracy-reporting-centre/imb-live-piracy-map-2010

Attack Report:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/home/piracy-reporting-centre/imb-live-piracy-map-2010/details/54/71

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 15:13:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jhinton
 Here's the International Commercial Crime Services Live Piracy 2011 Map. Their attack id is 2011/069. They weren't anywhere that other yachts don't regularly travel. They just happened to be the unlucky ones that the pirates decided to take onboard a recreational yacht. It doesn't happen often as they mostly go after commercial ships but this is a stark reminder that it does in fact happen.

Map:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/home/piracy-reporting-centre/imb-live-piracy-map-2010
Attack Report:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/home/piracy-reporting-centre/imb-live-piracy-map-2010/details/54/71
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">According to the piracy chart, the pirates are active as far as 1000 miles from Somalia. I didn't realize they are ranging that far.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 15:15:20

The marker for that incident is around 800 miles from the N. tip of Somalia... I'm wondering if the pirates were from Yemen (next to Oman on the Arabian Penninsula. Somalis operate that far out in the Arabian Sea, but they don't generally waste their time taking hostages on such small fish.

Right now I'm more concerned over the Libyans who are being slaughtered by Gadhafi's thugs.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/22/2011 15:20:24

OJ
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 15:41:50

In my dreams I would replace my sliding hatch with one of these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkmBH-MjZF4

Ya think I could take out 19 pirates before they could even take aim?

I like meeting people on their terms.

Edited by - OJ on 02/22/2011 16:27:07

jhinton
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 16:21:44

That's a lot of lead you're slinging.

You'd have to double up on watches, one steering/navigating and one on the gatling gun.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 17:28:58

So now the irony starts...the captured Somali barbarians are being held on the USS Enterprise...

USS Enterprise (CVN 65), the world's first nuclear - powered aircraft carrier, commemorates a name which has been a continuing symbol of the great struggle to retain American liberty, justice and freedom since the first days of the American Revolutionary War. The eighth ship of the Fleet to carry this illustrious name that is defining boldness, energy, and invention in practical affairs. The ships named Enterprise have fought in some of the greatest naval battles in the history of the United States. These ships were manned by Sailors committed to victory under the harshest of conditions.

just amazing...these thugs go from murdering innocent Americans and an existence just this side of the caveman to the world's first nuclear - powered aircraft carrier...

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jhinton
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 17:33:44

I wonder what's next for them...? A trial in the US?

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jbkayaker
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 18:32:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 I understand that for some, the drive to deliver the Gospel as they believe it is a compelling one. Does that override the equally compelling need for a Captain to do all things possible to ensure the safety of his crew?

It seems that we often hear of people being kidnapped and killed in the name of Christ. But to intentionally put yourself and others (including Navy SEALS) in harm's way is irresponsible. That's what this Captain did. I regret the loss of life but can't help but laying a fair share of the responsibility on the Captain of the s/v Quest. This could have been avoided and he would have lived to evangelize another day.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Do we know that to be true yet? The pirates have been taking boats 200 miles offshore. Maybe the Quest was out far enough to believe she was safe. I haven't seen a report on her location when she was taken. Does anyone have any info on it?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The pirates, according to the ABC TV news today, operate as far as 1700 miles off the coast. How could anyone on the Quest not have been aware of the warnings ? My guess is they thought "I'll just trust in God to protect me" instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

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skybird
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 20:05:25

use them for chum and troll for sharks off the fantail--they have no rights

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 20:13:05

Ya, show the Eastern world how Western Civilization works. (You guys stone people to death--we can beat that.)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/22/2011 20:18:08

Tradewind
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 20:47:56

Reports say 19 pirates involved, only 4 dead? Something wrong with that picture in my opinion, all should have been shot. And as far as the sailors, a terrible loss of life but they earned the Darwin award for sailing in that area where piracy is a high probability.

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