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OJ
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Initially Posted - 03/21/2011 : 17:43:08

Do you use a halyard restrainer in conjunction with your furling unit on your C25 rigging?

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/21/2011 : 19:55:05

I'm not sure what you're getting at... My Hood furler used the jib halyard to hoist the swivel (and thereby the sail). It stayed there all season, cleated on the mast with the tail coiled and secured there. There was no point in using a clutch. I led the furling line to a small cam cleat with a fairlead on top.

Edit: Wait--you mean a little block on the front of the mast to prevent the halyard from wrapping on the forestay... Yes. But there was a recent thread with several alternative techniques...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/21/2011 20:03:19

Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/21/2011 : 20:31:37

This is the most recent thread: http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22724. It refers yo a prior thread that was more comprehensive but didn't come up on a search of "halyard wrap".

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 03/21/2011 : 20:37:20

yes i do.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 03:54:35

This is what I am referrring to and why:

http://www.harken.com/pdf/4410.pdf

I am wondering (based on the measthead design of the C25) if the angle between the headstay and the halyard is between 7 and 10 degrees - without using a restrainer.

Rigging before furlers sure was a whole lot simpler!!!

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 06:45:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 ...I am wondering (based on the measthead design of the C25) if the angle between the headstay and the halyard is between 7 and 10 degrees - without using a restrainer.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Look at the diagram there (just about like your boat) and imagine the halyard without the restrainer--it will be about 0 degrees (parallel to the forestay), which allows it to wrap. The point is that something has to stabilize the top of the swivel while the bottom turns. The angle of the halyard, induced by the restrainer, is the most common solution.

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 13:32:29

Yes, I had one installed when I ended up with a wrap.
Simple solution and it has kept the spin halyard from fouling as well.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 16:51:20

Thanks for the replies and obviously I'm being lazy here - asking for an answer I could have discovered on my own.

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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 17:58:59

What the heck--it snowed and rained here yesterday, and is going to do it again tomorrow and the next day--Spring in New England. You're helping to distract us!

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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 19:10:43

It's been in the 80's here every afternoon for the past two weeks. Starting to feel like early summer already.

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Response Posted - 04/21/2011 : 15:00:52

Getting my ducks in order for installing the new furler. If anyone is able to provide the distance between their masthead and the halyard restrainer - that would eliminate guesstimating on my end.

Edited by - OJ on 04/21/2011 15:02:25

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Response Posted - 04/21/2011 : 15:32:07

OJ,

Are you already certain you'll need a restrainer?

As to someone else supplying you the measurement for positioning the restrainer, it can vary from boat to boat depending on max hoist of the headsail and swivel.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/21/2011 : 15:52:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 OJ,

Are you already certain you'll need a restrainer?

As to someone else supplying you the measurement for positioning the restrainer, it can vary from boat to boat depending on max hoist of the headsail and swivel.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Excellent point (as usual) Don. Then I also need to take into account the max hoist of the 110 verses the 135 verses the 150 headsails,

Edited by - OJ on 04/21/2011 15:56:25

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Response Posted - 04/21/2011 : 20:20:44

The angle that is recommended for the furler is one that will stabilize the top of the swivel, while still providing enough upward pull to tension the luff of the sail. The drum position will also affect this. I suspect to get the geometry right you'll have to install everything else and hoist the sail (with the longest luff length). With two or more sails where some have shorter luff lengths, you can use a bridle that approximates the difference at the head or the tack, so the swivel remains at about the same position relative to the restrainer.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/21/2011 20:38:07

OJ
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Response Posted - 04/25/2011 : 08:42:30

Duh!

http://www.harken.com/pdf/4410.pdf

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