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Ryan L
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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 12:11:42

Where'd you find this pic? Amazing...

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by calden
 Picture of the boat right before the capsize... Wow...

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 13:30:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by calden
 Picture of the boat right before the capsize... Wow...

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That is ridiculous. Whenever I've had more than a few people on the boat I let them know where they can sit, what to do when we tack, etc. Look at how the bow is out of the water, clearly that boat is unstable with everyone smashed together in the cockpit. I've never felt like my boat was unstable. Lots of times, you have a couple people who want to hang out down below, a couple in the cockpit, a couple serving as rail meat etc.

Having more than 5 or 6 adults on the boat is to cramped anyways.

Edited by - PCP777 on 03/29/2011 13:32:18

Captain Max
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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 13:33:31

Yeah, this is really sad, for what I can tell the owner/captain? seemed to be trying to do good deeds, ie charities, its hard to understand how he could be so negligent.

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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 13:49:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by calden

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Wow is right, doesn't that scream negligence on part of the boat rental company . . .

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 15:50:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 Wow is right, doesn't that scream negligence on part of the boat rental company . . .<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Apparently it isn't a rental deal--it's an owner contributing his time to [url="http://www.heartofsailing.org/regional18.asp"]this charitable organization[/url]. The organization post schedules and books groups on boats around the country. As I said on the other thread (on the C-25 forum), I believe the organization shares in the negligence that led to this. They are supposedly sailors, and they booked groups of eight passengers on this guy's 25' sailboat. He and just one other able crew (I hope) make 10, some of whom will be physically and/or mentally impaired. Good intentions + horrible judgement = tragedy.

Here's the boat and skipper on a better day:

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/29/2011 16:03:31

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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 20:22:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by calden
 edit to correct: I have since learned that this is a picture of the boat the previous day.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> So much the worse. They were booking six excursions per day on that boat.

I'll repeat: I hate to rag on people with good hearts... but I have a problem with people who exhibit judgement that endangers (and loses) lives. An organization like this MUST--I repeat MUST--be more diligent when they put people out on the water.

How big should a sailboat be to invite eight non-sailing (and variously-impaired) passengers on board? I'm thinking it's over 40', with a licensed captain and three trained crew. You want smaller boats--then invite just three passengers. I've sailed on numerous mid-30s boats, and even they are not the place for that crowd (even if they wouldn't capsize).

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/29/2011 20:34:13

djn
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Response Posted - 03/30/2011 : 08:58:03

Hi All, I haven't posted much but still come to the site just to see what the gang is up to. Here is a link to SA about that boat.

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/30/2011 : 09:54:39

SA has the wrong boat, and therefore the wrong manual. That's not a Mac 26M or 26X, it's the older 25, which was just a sailboat (so to speak)--not the "hybrid" 26' sail/powerboat. Note the outboard mounted to one side of the transom and the centered rudder. The 26 has a centered outboard (up to 50 hp) and twin rudders, and is much uglier.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/30/2011 : 10:01:16

Just looking at the photo of it heavily loaded and squatting stern-down, it wouldn't take much to make it roll over, if he forgot to lower the swing keel. A big boat wake could do it, or, it could happen if some guests moved from one side to the other suddenly.

Look at the photo again. When the boat is stern-down, the widest part of the boat is lifted. Effectively, that makes the boat behave as if it is much narrower at the beam, because part of the boat that was designed to sit on the water, and to provide high initial stability, is lifted higher and partially out of the water. It greatly reduces the width of the boat at the waterline, greatly reducing it's form stability.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 03/30/2011 10:14:27

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