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cwstrang
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Initially Posted - 04/06/2011 : 13:17:41

Guys:
Greetings from soggy St Helens OR! Has anyone considered putting on a self tending jib? I sail on the Columbia River with an average tack lasting just a couple mins. I would like to be able to single hand my 250. I looked at a Freedom 28 up here, was tempted to move up. Thoughts?

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 13:38:57

I recall AADiver doing that, search for his posts.

Paul

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mspiers
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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 14:39:10

Ive got one, its called a wife ;)

Damn expensive though.....

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 15:15:02

Very funny, Michael.

Here are a couple of relevant threads.

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19673&SearchTerms=jib#top

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=18108&SearchTerms=self,tack

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=15673&SearchTerms=self,tack

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ruachwrights
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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 19:35:03

Craig,
Single handing can be a chore. With the typical wheel configuration you need to be awfully handy with that boat hook in order to tend the winch lines. After some practice I have found it can be done when I extend the hook and brace the spokes with the handle on the cabin roof, still its not pretty and I really have to be on my toes.

If I was not engaging boat units in a new sole, steering cable, storage, and a marina, I might first consider a wheel pilot. Secondly I would consider moving the winches to the coaming. Thirdly I might consider the self tending jib. The main issue for me is simply how to reach the cabin winches.

Vern Wright

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 19:51:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ruachwrights
 ...Secondly I would consider moving the winches to the coaming. Thirdly I might consider the self tending jib. The main issue for me is simply how to reach the cabin winches...
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My boat came with cam cleats on the coaming. It works well in light winds, and/or if you time the tack just right to get the sheets pulled taut while the jib is still luffing. It is not an ideal solution, but might be something to consider.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 07:05:41

Move the winches to the coaming so you can tack without leaving the helm area. One of the best mods I have done to improve sailing.

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17681&SearchTerms=coaming"]Winches to coaming[/url]

My wife always sails with me but she often likes to read and do crossword puzzles while we sail so I'm sorta single handing.

I must say I have also been intrigued by self-tackers and can see why that would be a good option too.

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528
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 07:39:45

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=13676&SearchTerms=.

Hard to believe this was almost 5 years ago. I am using the same setup today with excellent results. I can deploy and secure the jib on the roller furling from the helm seat.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 08:30:25

Not to start a war,But I do not understand the difficulty in singlehanded sailing. I have swivel cam cleats on the roof in their original location.I do not sit behind the helm. I sit either on the windward or leward side depending on the mood I'm in. I can Tack,trim either main or Jib, adjust the vang, get a drink from below. Behind the wheel is not comfortable for me.I'm a big guy and 74 years old (hard for me to believe)and to maneuver between the wheel and backstay gets to be a hassle. When we race, I rarely sit behind the wheel becase of the weight.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 08:45:45

I think you hit the nail on the head, Jack. Getting between the wheel and the backstay. That's why I have a tiller!

OK, that might not be the only reason. But, I have to agree that sitting to the side makes singlehanding a breeze.

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mspiers
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 10:25:06

Forgive my ignorance, and lack of proper sailing vocabulary (as I grew up on a ranch far from water) BUT, I always have wondered about taking a regular working jib, and attaching a type of boom to the entire foot of the sail. At both ends of the boom, Id like to put attachments, one to connect to the forestay about 3 feet up ( just a loose connection with a 3 ft rope going down so it cant raise any higher than 3 ft high when you raise the sail but the boom will then miss the lifelines), then start my running rigging off the back of that boom to a point in front of the mast that leads back to the cockpit. That way i just have one line to adjust depending on how much sail I have to let out or in. (Instead of fooling with two jib lines on every tack). Im probably reinventing the wheel, but seems like it would be an ideal setup for a singlehander.
Commence laughter :)

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 12:17:40

Google Alerion boats. They have just what you describe, a Hoyt Jib Boom.

I replaced the split backstay with a single one. MUCH easier to move about the cockpit.

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booyacht
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 14:25:46

I may need to replace my split with a single; I have a heck of a time getting around the wheel too. Did you have to add a new deck attachment?

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 14:32:06

Mine just has one and it's port aft next to the catbird seat. Really never is in the way much.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:11:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mspiers
 Mine just has one and it's port aft next to the catbird seat. Really never is in the way much.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That was a change that Catalina made a year or 2 ago and that prompted discussion here about modifying the older 250's to a single stay.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 18:54:15

Here is the thread for single backstay. Note that there is another thread referred to in this one.

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21023&SearchTerms=backstay"]Single Backstay[/url]

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Response Posted - 04/08/2011 : 03:16:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Google Alerion boats. They have just what you describe, a Hoyt jib boom
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And to think, to date, I have received no compensation for them using my idea lol

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/08/2011 : 08:21:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mspiers
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Google Alerion boats. They have just what you describe, a Hoyt jib boom
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And to think, to date, I have received no compensation for them using my idea lol
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The check is in the mail.

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cwstrang
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Response Posted - 04/10/2011 : 07:46:33

Guys: Good morning! Thanks for the ideas on a self tending jib I can see how it could work for me. I also plan on converting to a single back stay as well. May you all have fair winds...

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