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islander
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Initially Posted - 04/09/2011 : 16:59:06

Ok my mast is down and I'm in the process of replacing all the standing rigging so while it is down I would like to add a swivel block and a spare halyard because the only one I have is used for the roller furling. My PO has the fore stay on the forward pin in order to get the 10 deg angle on the halyard to the swivel to prevent halyard wrap. It is also fitted with a halyard lead on the mast. I want the spare halyard for two reasons, The first is that my next R/F Genoa I get won't have a UV cover but will be using a sock/cover for protection and will need the halyard to pull the sock/cover up. The second reason is I would like to get a Drifter sometime down the line. I ordered the Masthead crane from CD but now have second thoughts about the halyard chafing on the RF as Davy J found out on another thread. I don't like the fix of leading the lines to the bow pulpit. So my question is this, If I put a swivel block on the second pin behind the RF will this work for a light air Drifter? Can they be flown inside the for-triangle? It will be fine for the sock I'm sure but I thought I would ask the experts for their opinions on the Drifter set up. I have internal lines by the way.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 04/11/2011 : 06:39:12

Hi Scott,
It sounds like you are confusing a drifter jib and a cruising spinnaker.
A drifter jib is a 150% to 170% genoa jib that is made out of 1.5 oz. spinnaker cloth... The drifter is cut like a large, overlapping jib. So, the drifter is sailed just like a jib - - inside the fore triangle. The cruising spinnaker is a spinnaker with one side (the luff) longer than the other (the leach). The cruising spinnaker (sometimes called an assym, or flasher) is sailed like a "normal" spinnaker - - but without the use of a pole, and the tack corner is secured to the stem fitting with a pendant line. Two sheets go to the clew corner. Jibing a cruising spinnaker is easy but takes longer than with a poled spinnaker. With the cruising spinnaker, just be fore the jibe begins, the loaded sheet is cast off. The sail becomes a big flag and the skipper turns the boat under the spinnaker. As the boat turns, the old lazy sheet is trimmed in and the sail fills on the other side of the boat.
As to using the inner clevis pin to secure a halyard block, I think you'll still run into problems with the top of the furler. It might be better to secure a stainless steel padeye to the front of the mast a few inches down from the cap; and shackle a block there. You could set the drifter flying (no hanks to the forestay) and it should sail just fine in light breezes.
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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islander
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Response Posted - 04/11/2011 : 14:59:43

Thanks Bill, Its the large lightweight Genoa I'm thinking about. These seem to be flown without any attachment to the furled head sail but seem to be shaped more like a regular Genoa. What would be the range of wind speed would you use this in?

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Response Posted - 04/11/2011 : 20:10:17

Hi Scott,
I figure for my drifter that the wind range is up to about 7 knots of breeze. After that the 150% genoa really works better.
I just wrote an addition to my blog about the drifter jibs.
BarnacleBillHolcomb.blogspot.com

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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islander
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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 14:59:36

Bill, Your Drifter is exactly what I am aiming for, A sail that I can put up when my 135 collapses due to the lighter wind yet still is controlled like the 135. Love the patriotic theme on yours and a great Blog. Thanks for clearing things up. Anybody I would ask about these sails would immediately think I was talking about a spin or an assym.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 15:21:04

Scott, I just bought a drifter and have used it a quite few times. My sailmaker talked me out of any hanks, but I do have an adjustable luft that I can pull pretty tight when need be, and then loosen downwind. My is about a 155 and made from .75 oz nylon. I've flown it on my C-25 with a roller and on the Watkins that has hanks. Love it in the light winds.

On the Watkins

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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 15:39:01

I also have a drifter, and while using it one day wished that I could play the tack out a bit more. So I put a block up front on the stem and replaced the 18" or so of pendant with a 25' line going through the block and back to the cockpit. Now I am able to let out the foot and really bag it up to catch the wind, the sail is even more versatile.

Carlos

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Response Posted - 04/13/2011 : 04:38:50

Scott, the block on my C25 is aft of the roller, I will try and get a picture and post. When I use the drifter it's normally behind the roller, I loosen the jibs sheets so they lay on the deck, and run the drifter sheets above the jib sheets. In light winds I fly it in, I don't have any issues with the block where it is.

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Response Posted - 04/13/2011 : 05:37:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran

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That is really something to see! A C25 main with only a single digit "1". Awesome!

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Response Posted - 04/13/2011 : 12:49:44

Don... yes that is "Confetti", hull #1. The owner (original) is Chuck Shaw, he does post here and is a great addition to our marina and club.

Scott, not the greatest picture (all I had was my phone), but if you look close you can see the block up behind the roller.

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Response Posted - 04/13/2011 : 14:09:00

Hey Tom,
Who's that Cool lookin sailor at the helm of the Watkins? Is that yo............ oh no wait, that's me!

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islander
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Response Posted - 04/13/2011 : 14:39:56

Thanks Tom, Thats where I'm going to put the block. I will put the spin crane on the masthead also just because I bought it and who knows maybe it will come in handy down the line. I got all the standing rigging from CD on Tuesday so hopefully If the weather permits I can get this all put back together and the mast back up this weekend. Then I'm just waiting on the Marina for my bottom paint. Were not allowed to do it ourselves anymore. Enviro reasons.

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Response Posted - 04/13/2011 : 15:30:20

Scott...good luck, hope all of the installs go well, and hope waiting for the marina to paint doesn't cut too deep in your sailing window up there. Again, love my drifter, best $$$ I spent on the boat.

I'm waiting on CD for my new keel winch, looking for a delivery next week.

DaveR, yup, hired help at the helm

Edited by - TCurran on 04/13/2011 15:31:27

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Response Posted - 04/14/2011 : 06:30:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The second reason is I would like to get a Drifter sometime down the line. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

After sailing Tom's Watkins with the drifter I'm sold on it. Great light wind sail that's more versatile than an Asymmetrical. Will buy one when the bank account allows for sure.

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