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gpc
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Initially Posted - 04/24/2011 : 17:50:53

I am looking for advice. Does anybody see anything wrong with bidding on this. The auction does mention a cracked stringer in the bilge. Any thoughts on the 1996 model?
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Greg C., Berwyn PA
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2001 C250WK #0559

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gpc
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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 17:53:26

Forgot to add the link,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-25FT-CATALINA-SAILBOAT-SAILS-CT-TAUC-96-/230611963882?pt=Sailboats& hash=item35b18b4fea#ht_4891wt_1167

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 18:07:24

Looks good to me, I'm sure the bidding will go up considerably. If I were looking for a 250 I would bid on it. If you're in the area might be wise to look at it.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 18:43:28

Ah, the rather mythical C250 fin keel.

Edited by - dlucier on 04/24/2011 19:05:57

TakeFive
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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 18:52:15

That boat is a very rare find. It is one of a very few C250s with a fin keel (maybe the only one!). If you are interested in maximum performance with the modern design of the C250, this is a good option. If the seller knew what he was doing, he would play up the rarity of the boat to maximize its value. Consider that oversight to be an opportunity.

I know you live real close to me. If you are interested in sailing in the Delaware, this is a great boat. There's plenty of depth here. The Delaware is a deep ditch. If you're interested in the uppermost Bay tributaries (Bohemia, Northeast, etc.) the extra draft might be a little limiting. But not much.

This boat has been "sighted" before by members here who were surprised to find a fin keel. Here are a couple of threads with other pictures. You should note that the keel has sustained some minor damage which appears to be painted over in the listing pics. You should definitely do an inspection of the hull-keel joint and the keel bolts to make sure there is no hidden damage. You should also check whether that damage is related to the cracked stringer. There could have been a hard grounding that caused this damage, which would make me very cautious. I didn't even realize that C250s had stringers - maybe they meant a transverse rib?

I'd suggest you ask for a copy of the survey before bidding. (Maybe the broker can provide it?) See if it really says it could be easily fixed. If the seller does not provide it, something's up.

Note that the boat is also listed on Yachtworld with an asking price of $12,500. Given that they're putting it on ebay, I'd say the seller is motivated to move it. I wonder if the broker put it on ebay, or the seller did. If the latter, I wonder if the broker knows. Looks like the broker includes the motor for $12,500, but the ebay seller excludes the motor. Keep that in mind if you bid. I'll post the link below also.

Here are the links you should look at:

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21391
http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22092
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/Catalina-250-2208920/Norwalk/CT/United-States

Note that the boat does not have the 3rd generation rudder. You should plan to spend ~$800 on a replacement.

What happened with the C250WK in Essex?

Edited by - TakeFive on 04/24/2011 19:25:51

dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 19:08:53

Hmmm? The ballast is only 895 lbs? I thought it would be a little more.

Edited by - dlucier on 04/24/2011 19:21:10

TakeFive
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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 19:10:19

Yup. I'd edit it, but you quoted me.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 19:15:06

Out of all of the posts over the past few months there is only 1 picture of this boat in the water and who knows when that was taken!

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Response Posted - 04/24/2011 : 19:20:46

I've seen that boat in the flesh, up on the hard at Norwalk Cove Marina, and posted a picture of it here (because it is such a rarity). I know that there was some damage to the keel that was repaired--probably a small whack against a "Connecticut monument." I don't know if it's one-of-a-kind (with the fin keel), but it's close! It could also be one of relatively few tall rig C-250s (which were abandoned by Catalina after a a couple of years). If so, it should be a very good light-air performer, such as in July-August on western Long Island Sound.

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gpc
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Response Posted - 04/25/2011 : 05:17:04

Thanks for all of your comments.

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gpc
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Response Posted - 04/25/2011 : 05:21:11

Tidewater Marina (Havre de Grace) has not received the WK from Essex yet. It should be there any day, and I will check it out then. While I wait, I'm always digging through the internet for other options. I will keep you posted on the 2001 WK.

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Response Posted - 04/25/2011 : 09:09:16

While Dave's right about light air performance, Catalina abandoned the 250 tall rig for a reason. While I don't know what it is, I'll tell you that my 250 wing keel is more tender when it comes to winds over 10-15 knots than the C25. It has more freeboard than the C25. The fin might compensate for that -- don't know.

I migh consider bidding on it if I had the chance to look at it. The "crack in the stringer" might give me pause because it could be connected to the keel damage that Dave Bristle mentioned, assuming it's the same boat.

Since the boat appears to be the same as the one on Yachtworld, I'd assume that there is a reserve price that's pretty close to the $12,500 broker price.

I would probably prefer to go through the broker with a low-ball offer pending survey rather than an "as-is" purchase on Ebay.

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Response Posted - 04/25/2011 : 09:19:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 ...Since the boat appears to be the same as the one on Yachtworld, I'd assume that there is a reserve price that's pretty close to the $12,500 broker price.

I would probably prefer to go through the broker with a low-ball offer pending survey rather than an "as-is" purchase on Ebay.
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The ad says in bold face type:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As always all our items start at 200.00 and are offered at no reserve- high bidder will own it at end of auction regardless of price<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

So it sounds like this boat (without motor) will be sold on Wednesday, no matter what. It's a big opportunity for a low-ball purchase for someone closer to CT. The stringer damage is a potential risk that might make be a show-stopper for someone buying his first boat. But if he has time and money and is sure he wants the C250, it might be worth a ride up and a few hundred dollars to hire a surveyor prior to purchase. Depending on how the bidding goes, it could be a huge bargain - or a huge headache.

I still think he should ask the broker to email him a pdf of the survey. That could save a lot of travel and cost.

And the boat would probably have to be trucked down from CT, so that cost needs to be factored in.

Edited by - TakeFive on 04/25/2011 09:20:44

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Response Posted - 04/25/2011 : 11:29:40

I doubt that the broker is still engaged on this boat. It has apparently been turned over to this outfit that disposes of charitable donations. If that's the case, it's unclear how you would arrange an inspection.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/27/2011 : 19:46:46

Going...Going...Gone! $5,200.00

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 04/27/2011 : 19:47:12

Well, depending on your point of view, someone either got the deal of the century, or a boat so severely damaged that it repair costs exceed any possible value. Sold on ebay for $5200 (without motor). Maybe the buyer will join here so we can hear the final story on the repair of the cracked stringer.

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