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klemsaba
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Initially Posted - 05/15/2011 : 18:12:26

I thought I would come in and say hello. After a year of researching and going through these forums I have started my search for a C25.

A swing keel is in my future but a wing keel would be nice... the day I officially started my search and called on a wing keel C25 it had just sold! Ouch! Guess it wasn't meant to be for us. Either way a fin keel (or little larger boat) is out of the question right now due to the lack of 'deeper' slips at the 'almost full' sailing club I will be joining. Plus the C25 feels like a good starter boat for my family. We've looked at two so far and my wife and I like the size.

I'm sure as I continue my search I'll have plenty of questions.

BTW, I officially joined the Association!

Thanks!

Doug Perry

Edited by - klemsaba on 05/15/2011 18:13:42

klassi1
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Response Posted - 05/15/2011 : 18:22:28

Where are you located and how far afield are you willing to look?

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klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/15/2011 : 18:37:45

I'm in Wichita, KS. Staying within a 5 hour drive would be nice. I've seen some C25 listings in Oklahoma, Texas, and New Mexico that interests me. I just don't have a lot of time to drive to multiple long distant locations to look at boats so I really need to be sure before seeing those boats. Also, it seems many boats don't have trailers. I have done some thinking about having a boat delivered so I don't have to tow it myself.

Thanks.

Doug

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/15/2011 : 18:50:16

If you want a wing keel C-25, you'll likely be in the higher price range for the boat. With that in mind, don't overlook the C250 wing keel or water ballast. Older C250's may be in the same price ballpark. Probably the biggest difference is in aesthetics with the 250 having a more open cabin and maybe a little less "character". Not much teak, etc. It is also said to be a more tender boat, preferring lighter wind. I don't know that that is true. The biggest plus is that they're more available than the C25 Wing Keel. They're also a little newer and therefore may present fewer major maintenance problems.

Good luck with your search and welcome to the forum. Bring on the questions!

BTW, our former Commodore is in Wichita (I think) and will have a lot to share.

Edited by - John Russell on 05/15/2011 18:51:24

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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 03:58:23

Yep, wings are few and far between. While they became available in 1988, the new deck design was introduced in 1989. We discovered one on the internet on a Thursday night and closed the deal (600 miles away) on Saturday afternoon.

Here's some shopping, appraising tips:

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/summertm.asp

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/summert2.asp

Good luck and be patient!

Edited by - OJ on 05/16/2011 04:09:32

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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 06:10:27

... and some pre-1988 boats will have a retrofit wing keel. I am not sure if the retrofit is an issue or not.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 07:00:58

Hi Klem, I live in Wichita. I would be happy to visit with you about buying a boat. I assume you are joining Ninnescah. The wing you missed was an inboard model. There are several "beaters" for sale and several others that might be for sale. I will be at the lake this weekend.
316-641-6136

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 07:21:09

The flat cabin floor was also a plus.

The 89+ may be rare, but they definately pop up for sale enough that it's worth the wait. I traveled I think 800 miles to get mine.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 05/16/2011 07:29:48

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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 09:36:23

Surprisingly, there's a ton of C25's on sailingtexas.com with trailers at great prices. If you don't have to have an 88+, then you could tow one of them home.

Not a great price, but it's an 88 wing. Perhaps you could have it shipped?
http://sailingtexas.com/201101/scatalina25254.html

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 10:02:12

Looks like forum member djdurrent is going to sell his C-25 TR/FK, it's a nice boat and in the slip next to me.

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Harleyworker
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 11:05:58

I'm in Kansas city, there was an 81 that is on craigslist posted on 4/27. It is a fin, but does come with a trailer. Its located in manhattan. I don't know the boat or the guy selling it, just came across it while killing time at work.

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klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 11:22:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harleyworker
 I'm in Kansas city, there was an 81 that is on craigslist posted on 4/27. It is a fin, but does come with a trailer. Its located in manhattan. I don't know the boat or the guy selling it, just came across it while killing time at work.
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I've talked with the guy in Manhattan. That boat is interesting and it is completely original with no upgrades. Now, I'm not sure if that is good or bad. I guess it depends on what someone wants in a boat. They sent me a bunch of photos and it seems like a nice clean boat but I've kind of crossed it off my list because it is a fin. I know crossing off fins limits my choices but I do want to be at Ninnescah where Frank is at but they have limited availability.

There is also another C25 for sale in Manhattan so I'm going to try to see both boats at the same time.

Thanks for the heads up though!

Edited by - klemsaba on 05/16/2011 11:41:51

klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 11:28:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 Yep, wings are few and far between. While they became available in 1988, the new deck design was introduced in 1989. We discovered one on the internet on a Thursday night and closed the deal (600 miles away) on Saturday afternoon.

Here's some shopping, appraising tips:

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/summertm.asp

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/summert2.asp

Good luck and be patient!
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Wow! Great turn around time on that purchase. Thanks for the tips. I have those bookmarked! I have a search process I go through every night on my computer... craigslist with multiple states (sail boat/sailboat), sailingtexas.com, sailboatlistings.com.

Edited by - klemsaba on 05/16/2011 12:03:00

klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 11:30:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 Surprisingly, there's a ton of C25's on sailingtexas.com with trailers at great prices. If you don't have to have an 88+, then you could tow one of them home.

Not a great price, but it's an 88 wing. Perhaps you could have it shipped?
http://sailingtexas.com/201101/scatalina25254.html

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I have started thinking about the possibility of having a boat delivered. I need to start getting 'guestimates' on the cost so I can figure that into my budget.

Thanks!

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klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 11:31:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 Hi Klem, I live in Wichita. I would be happy to visit with you about buying a boat. I assume you are joining Ninnescah. The wing you missed was an inboard model. There are several "beaters" for sale and several others that might be for sale. I will be at the lake this weekend.
316-641-6136

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Thanks Frank. I will be calling!

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klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 11:35:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 If you want a wing keel C-25, you'll likely be in the higher price range for the boat. With that in mind, don't overlook the C250 wing keel or water ballast.
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The reality is I probably won't be getting a late model boat because of the extra cost/value. I could probably swing the extra cost but the boat would really need to be extra special.

Thanks for the insight to the C250.

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klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 11:48:07

As far as trailers are concerned, many boats have flat bed trailers that looked like they've been converted for sailboat use. What are your thoughts on those? I'm not really looking to haul my boat from lake to lake but are these generally road worthy? I guess it 'depends' but they just look odd to me.

Thanks.

Edited by - klemsaba on 05/16/2011 12:06:13

islander
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 14:08:10

88+ for the wing? Shoot mine is an 87 with a wing and its not a retro fit. They might have started in 86 but don't hold me to that. Definitely had them for the 87's though.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 17:50:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 . . . 88+ for the wing? Shoot mine is an 87 with a wing and its not a retro fit . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Interesting Scott, that's the first I've heard of that . Thanks for sharing.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 18:16:17

Klemsaba, maximize the opportunity because you won't find many who know these boats better than Frank. Also, this is a big commitment, so have patience and get the keel you want on a proper trailer for long term happiness. Aside from the advantages of being newer, wings give up windward performance but always have shoal draft and no keel maintenance. Swingers have the performance/stability advantages of a deep keel but have modest but essential maintenance and can only be shoal draft when not sailing. If you've thought it through and want a wing/swing, don't settle on a fin because it's available.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 20:36:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 Klemsaba, maximize the opportunity because you won't find many who know these boats better than Frank. Also, this is a big commitment, so have patience and get the keel you want on a proper trailer for long term happiness. Aside from the advantages of being newer, wings give up windward performance but always have shoal draft and no keel maintenance. Swingers have the performance/stability advantages of a deep keel but have modest but essential maintenance and can only be shoal draft when not sailing. If you've thought it through and want a wing/swing, don't settle on a fin because it's available.
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JoshMcCullock
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 20:41:29

Sorry about the rogue post above...
Sometimes the perfect deal is on a boat thats not "technically" for sale. Thats how we found Genevieve. So you're making the right move by beating the bushes. Something will turn up. I'm in OKC out of Lake Hefner.. I'll ask around for ya!

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klemsaba
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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 20:53:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JoshMcCullock
 Sorry about the rogue post above...
Sometimes the perfect deal is on a boat thats not "technically" for sale. Thats how we found Genevieve. So you're making the right move by beating the bushes. Something will turn up. I'm in OKC out of Lake Hefner.. I'll ask around for ya!
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Thanks! I've enjoyed looking at your blog. Nice job on the restoration.

Doug

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Response Posted - 05/16/2011 : 21:00:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by klemsaba
 As far as trailers are concerned, many boats have flat bed trailers that looked like they've been converted for sailboat use. What are your thoughts on those? I'm not really looking to haul my boat from lake to lake but are these generally road worthy?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Often this involves putting a storage cradle on the flatbed--likely not suitable for highway travel, mostly because most cradles aren't designed for those stresses. Also, the weight is higher than on a typical boat trailer, the tongue weight might not be properly calibrated, and there might not be sufficient structure to prevent forward movement in a emergency.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/17/2011 : 04:15:11

What is your price range, and are you willing to look at a boat in Nashville? I have a 1984 TR/SW, traditional interior, with a Trail-rite fin keel trailer that I am considering selling, asking $8,500. It has a 2008 Nissan 9.8 outboard, 25 inch shaft and electric start. Sails include main and jib, 150, and a like new 135 (two years old, rarely used).

Correction: two 150's, a white dacron sail and the colorful drifter in my signature pic. Bottom was painted last October.

Edited by - dmpilc on 05/17/2011 06:41:11

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Response Posted - 05/17/2011 : 05:46:40

A few general comments on sailing at Ninnescah:

We now have full onset Zebra Mussels, and a "mechanized" keel will be an issue due to the potential for build up of mussels in cavities.

Our club docks are typical of a lot of the shoal areas of the lake and anything over 4' is problematic; 2.5' is optimal.

We launch with a crane so a trailer can be very simple... it will never get wet.

Our storage yard in on site so masts stay up over the winter.

Air Conditioning in boats is very common on our docks.

There are NO MARINE DIESEL MECHANICS within 150 miles.

Our winds are high and tall rigs can be a hassle because you will reef a lot more with them.

Edited by - pastmember on 05/17/2011 06:26:46

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