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JohnP
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Response Posted - 06/01/2011 : 07:56:44

Scott,
Good job on a difficult project!

My buddy on the Narragansett Bay sails a 1980 C-25 and needed to tighten the port side traveler bolt. He said he could reach it from the access hole in the quarterberth with some lights, mirrors, sockets with extensions, and a few hours of agony. He stopped using it altogether since it's still not really strong.

Glad my 1978 traveler is still ok! I use the traveler often to save a tack or two when pinching to get past the many shoals in my sailing area.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 06/01/2011 : 08:09:18

Nice job Scott.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/01/2011 : 09:05:46

Yep, great documentation and the outlet cover looks fine as long as the screws aren't yellow brass. You might want bronze or stainless there.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/01/2011 : 09:37:13

Thanks guys...

Yes, they are but only temporary....I'm going to install a marine VHF antenna back on the stern pulpit, and I was wondering how I was going to run the antenna wire....now I have a hole, so when I install the antenna I'll just get another cover with the connector on it. I'll install stainless screws then.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/01/2011 : 20:22:21

Had a really good sail tonight...first one after the repair. I also took the traveler car apart, cleaned it and buffed/cleaned the traveler tube. Using it tonight was a breeze and it worked just like it should. Moved very easy both directions. Had fairly strong winds at first, so moved it to leeward, but by the time I got across the lake the winds had lightened up considerably. Sailed back on a close haul, tight as I could get....and brought the traveler al the way to windward...until the wind finally died almost completely. I "almost" made it all the way back...had to motor on down the slough to the marina. Beautiful night though....just look at this sunset:

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 05:43:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Had fairly strong winds at first, so moved it to leeward, but by the time I got across the lake the winds had lightened up considerably. Sailed back on a close haul, tight as I could get....and brought the traveler al the way to windward<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Did you notice any difference? I've never really played with the traveller, thinking that the +/-16" isn't really going to improve anything very much.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 08:28:07

Yes, I do notice a difference. It's not much, but it's there.

When the winds are light and I'm pulled in all the way close hauled, moving the traveler all the way to windward helps me pickup just a little more. I might gain a half knot or so over what I had.

When the winds are moderate, and again close hauled, I slide it all the way to leeward. It reduces heel and weather helm noticeably.

Granted, neither of these are a "big" change because the traveler tube is so short. I'd bet the aftermarket ones, with mid boom sheeting, make a much bigger difference...but our little stock one does do something, so it's worth making it functional....at least to me it is.

There are two other controls I need to rig. My boat did not come with a boom vang. The PO said he never had one, never needed one. However, the straps are there on the boom and mast, so I just need to get the tackle and rig it up. My main is kinda blown out...works for me, but the vang would help. Also, I want to rig a Cunningham. Not sure I really need it, but it's a simple tool, cheap, easy to rig.

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DanM
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 18:27:22

The Vang will help you flatten the main and give better control on a reach or run. The Cunningham is nice to flatten the luff on a beat. There's more detail on that in the archives.
Also want to add compliments to you on your post and resolution.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 18:49:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 Yes, I do notice a difference. It's not much, but it's there.

When the winds are light and I'm pulled in all the way close hauled, moving the traveler all the way to windward helps me pickup just a little more. I might gain a half knot or so over what I had.

When the winds are moderate, and again close hauled, I slide it all the way to leeward. It reduces heel and weather helm noticeably.

Granted, neither of these are a "big" change because the traveler tube is so short. I'd bet the aftermarket ones, with mid boom sheeting, make a much bigger difference...but our little stock one does do something, so it's worth making it functional....at least to me it is.

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You may not have noticed it if you were foussed on your knotlog, but I find that sliding it to windward helps you point higher. For me that is very important - more than the hull speed.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 21:41:50

I didn't notice...my course and wind direction didn't have me pointing that tight to test it, but next time I'm out I'll play with it and see if I can tell a difference.

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 06/07/2011 : 06:55:15

Joe, you can patch your new "extra" holes with that stainless steel screens as on this C22

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/07/2011 : 07:26:38

Thanks for the pic Tomas...I considered the screened louvers as well....they're linked to on the traveler page on CD.

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treuland
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Response Posted - 06/02/2012 : 11:46:19

Just for reference, my traveler bar developed a stress crack in middle and was bending and in danger of failure. So had to remove and have welded (temporary fix), also ordered a new one Catalina Direct. The access slots cut through as shown by Joe Diver above worked well. Appreciate the info sharing! You can get by with a hole just long enough to accommodate one angle turn of open end wrench. I found the starboard bolt was blocked by another thinner layer of fiberglass which had to cut too using saber saw and dremmel. Also the bolt head was not as encased as the port side and would probably have come out and fallen somewhere inaccessible. To prevent this, I wrapped a wire around the threads before it was completely unscrewed to keep it from falling down through the hole. (Would add pictures but not sure how to post).
Incidentally, I remounted the traveler clam cleats to face forward and find them much easier to operate. This does increase friction a little but more than compensated for by the better angle.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/03/2012 : 10:04:54

It looks like a pretty easy repair and cover solution now that you have shown us the way. Thanks.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 06/03/2012 : 14:03:37

Sorry to get here late, but I would have removed it and welded the same diameter stainless bar across both sides of the pulpit, just like the later models have.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 07:23:43

I would consider that....but I don't know how well the pulpit is attached to the boat. There are some pretty strong forces put on that traveler, and it is bolted down pretty good to some seriously solid fiberglass.

I'd be concerned about the pulpit (or is it pushpit?) being torn from the boat, or pulled and bent out of shape if I got punched with a strong puff.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 08:13:39

Thank you for showing that... ( talk about fun ) I'll bet you are a little less afeared about cutting into the boat now. I just hate the cleanup.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 06/04/2012 : 10:35:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 I would consider that....but I don't know how well the pulpit is attached to the boat. There are some pretty strong forces put on that traveler, and it is bolted down pretty good to some seriously solid fiberglass.

I'd be concerned about the pulpit (or is it pushpit?) being torn from the boat, or pulled and bent out of shape if I got punched with a strong puff.
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I've looked at both from above, and they look like they're mounted the same. But, I'm sure you'd have to check for backing plates under the rear two mounts to be sure. Did you see anything like that when you were digging behind there?

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treuland
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Response Posted - 06/10/2012 : 11:15:19

The new replacement traveler bar from Catalina Direct has a hex drive (allen) bolt versus the original cap bolt. It has some obvious advantages in manipulating from below. (1 1/2" 1/2"x 20 hex (allen) bolt)
see photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/peUk7xo6Dv9YW3f_jOAjkZ5ufjw2GootB5CBWn9qRDw?feat=directlink

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 07:25:15

I didn't notice any backing plates, but I wasn't really looking for them at the time.

That hex head bolt would have made my work MUCH easier. I would have been able to do it from below (still very hard) or through the hole I cut in the fuel locker (very easy).

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treuland
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 07:47:21

Correction, the hex (allen) bolt I think is 13 tpi not 20 as I stated above.
Terry

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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/12/2012 : 08:03:05

<< backing plates under the rear two mounts to be sure >>

I drilled down for electrical next to the aft rail and hit a metal plate.

I suspect that was a backing "bar" that spreads the load.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/12/2012 : 08:17:00

That's good to know....but I still would be concerned with the strength of the pushpit rails....they may not pull out of the deck, but could they deform/bend/warp? Would they be strong enough to handle the load?

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 06/12/2012 : 08:55:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 That's good to know....but I still would be concerned with the strength of the pushpit rails....they may not pull out of the deck, but could they deform/bend/warp? Would they be strong enough to handle the load?
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What diameter tube is your factory traveler bar? The stern rail is 1" on both sides, which I know is bigger than your bar, so one can assume......
Also, the lower you mount the bar, the less leverage it will create on the pulpit. So mount it as low as you can while not interfering with the tiller.

For your reference:

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/12/2012 : 09:03:00

I like that! Your traveler looks alot more functional than mine.

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