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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  05:20:02  Show Profile
Buzz,

I'm glad that we'awl were able to help y'awl <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.



Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  10:38:50  Show Profile
Hi y'all (Don, yous guys just got to learn how to spell y'all!), <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Yep ... I took her out yesterday, and steering with the outboard worked like a charm. The engine still rears up some in reverse, but I can live with it. I'm going to take another look at it so see if I've missed some sort of locking lever or something ... nevertheless, I'm a happy sailor thanks to my new-found ability to steer with the outboard!

'Had a good sail in spite of finding a tree once, and then finding the bottom another time (I was grateful for the swing keel that time). I'm not yet used to this lake, and I'm cutting corners where I shouldn't be ... live and learn. On top of that, I ran out of gas on the way back to the slip <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> ... I coasted as far as I could and made it to the dock, but I was about six slips away from my slip. A fellow sailor with a Hunter towed me a short distance to get some momentum, and I coasted her home.

What a great day! 'Hope to go out again today ... the temperature is supposed to reach the low 70's! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Thanks again, y'all!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  11:57:34  Show Profile
Buzz - you & I need to sit down with a chart of Canyon Lake! There are several sand/gravel bars that protrude a looong way out from the shoreline. It also helps to know where the old creek beds are - many, many cedar stumps that never rot away.
Derek
P.S. Santa - thank you for my dry boat <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  13:24:54  Show Profile
<b>"The engine still rears up some in reverse..." - Buzz</b>

Look around the motor an see if it has a "Tilt/Lock" lever. My Johnson had one.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  13:26:38  Show Profile
<b>"...you & I need to sit down with a chart of Canyon Lake! There are several sand/gravel bars that protrude a looong way out from the shoreline. It also helps to know where the old creek beds are - many, many cedar stumps that never rot away." - Derek</b>

Will you be using the Keel/Braille method? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  14:50:46  Show Profile
Youse Guys,

The Great Sacandaga Lake was made by damming the Sacandaga River. There are many shallow places in the lake that have been marked and maintained by an elaborate series of markers. Perhaps a conversation with the lake regulating district would be open to a project to chart and mark those shallow spots.


Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  19:43:02  Show Profile
Don L - I don't think so, it takes too long! After 14 years I know where the nasty bits are!
Don P - Canyon Lake is regulated by the Corps of Engineers. It was formed by damming the Guadalupe River in 1964. When I started sailing on the lake there were 29 red or green marker buoys showing the danger areas. They have all washed/floated away (the Corps NEVER put enough rhode on them! - what does the Army ever know about water??) or smashed into by stinkpotters, and despite the approx. $100 a year that every marina tenant pays in Corps taxes, those markers remain missing. (We also pay another +/- $100 a year to another bureaucracy to clean up the river BELOW the dam - even though we never use that part of the river!)
Derek, overtaxed on Canyon Lake <img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>


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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 01/05/2003 :  21:44:49  Show Profile
Derek,

It sounds like y'awl aren't getting anything for your taxes. Do I smell tea a brewing? <img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

Your story is similar to GSL's history except our lake was created in the 30's. Our tax is significantly less, paid to the Hudson River/Black River Regulating District and they do maintain the marker bouys. Although I've been told that you gotta take the placement with a grain of salt because the bouys mysteriously move. Save a few cents and cheat on the anchor rode.

I'd think the Corp has a moral, if not legal responsibility to replace the marker bouys. There failure could cause some pretty serious problems . . . .

Enjoy the waters, only 28 days til I'm sailing <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>



Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/06/2003 :  08:46:32  Show Profile
Markers with Canyon Lake's flood range would themselves become hazards to navigation. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

However, there is a very big rock 18 inches under the surface very near the entrance of Marianne Cove in Baie Fine, North Channel that lies deceptively in the path of new visitors to this very popular spot. The bluffs here are steep and the water in fact deep near them. The problem is out a way where the mariner is feeling comfortable giving adequate clearance for his turn into the cove.

The rock is about six feet long and three feet across and it's top is litterally painted with white gel coat and a few various bottom paint colors. And,like scratching one's initials into a tree, I thought it customary to add mine.

Of course, putting a marker on it would likely upset the balance of local labor.

Many years ago, I knew the rock was there... it's marked on the chart, but two summers ago, a mixture of familarity and loss of memory combined and left me not looking at the chart.

Its likely that way on Canyon Lake or any other, that familiarity only reduces the potential to find the bottom, it doesn't eliminate it.

My brother in law by crewing, was helpful in extending the cruising years of an elderly Captain of a 44' Japenese built wood ketch who knew his cruising waters so well that he didn't need one of the new fangled GPS navigation aids. However, one day he became confused about which island was where, and for the first time in his very many years cruising, was on the rocks. Not able to clear under power, he called the coast guard and set to kedging off and after a while was successful and all appeared dry. Another call to the coasties telling them that they were free and assistance was no longer needed, they were instructed not to proceed until the vessel on the way made an inspection. The old captain, embarrassed more than a little, at the next stop, slipped away for a few hours and when returning, said he was going to his cabin for a few while.

The next day he was on deck explaining the marvels of his new gps.



Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
R&R N/E Texas and Great Lakes

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