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hewebb
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Initially Posted - 11/20/2011 : 05:38:28

I have been thinking of converting our alcohol stove to a propane stove. I understand that the alcohol stoves are somewhat dangerous. We haven't spent the night on the boat yet but when we do morning coffee is a must have to be civil to each other. What have others done?

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blanik
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 05:57:46

propane is a lot more dangerous than alcohol, lot of boats have burned/exploded because of a faulty propane installation, most of the manufacturers don't install those stock by fear of being sued, the insurance companies don't like them either... alcohol stoves make everyone happy

to have a propane installation that meets safety standards, your propane bottles need to be in a box outside sealed from the living cabin with a low drain that allows the heavier than air gas to escape outside if a hose breaks, then, between the stove and the bottle's valves you need a solenoid shut off valve with the switch a certain distance from the stove, and i think you also need a propane fumes detector in the cabin (not sure if the detector is mandatory)...

for a small boat like the C25, i'm not sure it's worth the hassle, the alcohol stove works very well for anything (including coffee) :-)

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Novi
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 06:19:38

The PO of my boat installed a natural gas two burner stove (safegas). The good thing about natural gas is it's lighter that air so the risk of gas pooling to later explode is greatly reduced. Its also very clean burning and HOT.

The one down side it's difficult to find a place for re-fills in my area (NS Canada). I eventually found a gas fireplace store that was able to fill my tank. The tank is easy to remove and it about the size and shape of a small scuba tank. It sits on the shelf in the dumpster and the hose passes in behind the ice box to the stove.

Over all I'm happy with the set up, but if I was starting from scratch I'd go with alcohol. Easy, safe, cheap and can buy it any where.

Edited by - Novi on 11/20/2011 06:21:16

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 06:33:44

`The old Princess alcohol stoves that came with many C25s were called curtain burners for good reason. They didn't tolerate carelessness or mistakes. Modern alcohol stoves are much improved.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 08:11:49

Among several in this group, the single burner butane table top cooking units are popular. They use butane canisters similar in shape and size to a spray paint can. Search the archives.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 08:15:00

Example:
http://iweb.cooking.com/images/products/enlarge/659794e.jpg

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 08:56:56

I changed out the old Princess alcohol stove many years ago to an Origo non-pressure two-burner stove. It fits in the same space as the original stove. We have loved the Origo ever since the change.
Bill Holcoomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 08:59:39

I use the Kenyon single burner. The case is pretty cheap, but the stove is fine. I store extra fuel in the shallow starboard side compartment in the cockpit nd often set the stove in the cockpit and use it from the companionway. Many more BTU's than alcohol. The stove and a 20 oz. french press makes for a pleasant morning.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 10:29:01

Like Bill H., I replaced the original curtain-burner with a the non-pressurized Origo double-burner alcohol stove. It's safe and easy to use, but somewhat fumy in a closed cabin--alcohol puts a lot of water vapor into the air when it burns.

For my latest boat (picture at right below) I bought the Kenyon/Burton butane stove David shows, which comes in an easy-to-stow carrying case and can easily be used in the cockpit or the galley, or installed in place. It "cooks like gas"--fully adjustable and hotter than alcohol. Plus, it's about 1/10th the cost of an Origo, although the fuel is probably more expensive if you do a lot of cooking. Defender sells it and a somewhat more expensive Seaward version that looks very similar.

Butane is heavier than air, so the fuel canisters should be removed when the stove is not in use, and stored in the C-25's starboard cockpit "rope locker", which is sealed from the interior.

I won't go back to alcohol.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 11/20/2011 10:30:40

Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 11:08:50

I use my Coleman camp stove. Pulled out the old Princess, cleaned the space up and use it for storage, although I may put a microwave in there. Bought a nice section of oak countertop and cut it to fit the top of the stove space, and I put the Coleman on it. I keep the canisters outside in the shallow locker.

When I'm at docked and on shore power, I have a little 4 cup Mr Coffee.

Edited by - Joe Diver on 11/20/2011 11:10:01

cshaw
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 16:48:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 For my latest boat (picture at right below) I bought the Kenyon/Burton butane stove David shows, which comes in an easy-to-stow carrying case and can easily be used in the cockpit or the galley, or installed in place. It "cooks like gas"--fully adjustable and hotter than alcohol. Plus, it's about 1/10th the cost of an Origo, although the fuel is probably more expensive if you do a lot of cooking. Defender sells it and a somewhat more expensive Seaward version that looks very similar.

Butane is heavier than air, so the fuel canisters should be removed when the stove is not in use, and stored in the C-25's starboard cockpit "rope locker", which is sealed from the interior.

I won't go back to alcohol.
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Agree with all from Stinkpotter!! I got a butane stove from Tom Curran and LOVE IT!!! Spare canisters go in the stbd seat locker. Does a GREAT job for coffee and egg beaters+sausage in the cockpit when we overnight!

Cheers!

-c-

Edited by - cshaw on 11/21/2011 05:46:10

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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 20:11:26

On one trip with my wife, we over-nighted in a nearby marina, which did not have the benefit of a restaurant.
My single-burner white gas Coleman stove worked well enough the night before for dinner, but in the morning, there was nothing I could do to get it lighted. That meant we could have no coffee, no eggs, no toast, nothing much!
So, after asking, we hiked out about 2-3 miles and found a filling station where we could get coffee and stale plastic-wrapped danish. We were pretty unhappy and cut our trip short.
That's when I bought a butane stove like the one pictured above.
From that point on, we've never traveled without a backup stove. Cleaned out the valve on the Coleman stove and got it working again. I keep a few sealed butane tanks stored in the fender locker and a gallon of Coleman fuel there too.
And don't you know it? The Coleman never clogged again! Of course, the butane stove is great for frying eggs or burgers in the frying pan. And the Coleman is excellent for boiling a pot of coffee.

Good thing about Coleman fuel is that it'll burn under most conditions. Butane on the other hand won't light when its below 40 degrees F.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 20:34:31

I think 40º might be a little high unless the you have the flow pretty high. Butane vaporizes at about 28º F, but it could be an issue for cold weather sailors.

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blanik
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Response Posted - 11/20/2011 : 20:48:01

my favorite is still the kerosene stove/oven my friend has in his Corbin 39, where you need to warm the burner nozzle with alcohol before turning the burner on, with that fuel smell, everyone hates it but i love it, it smells like offshore :-D

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cat25
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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 04:35:44

Took burners out of the stove. Then put in big cans of sterno. they work great. Put ss bolt thrugh bottom hole.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 05:46:47

Butane as primary, propane as a backup.

The Starbucks instant coffee rocks.

If you have not tried the Butane stove, you really need to try one. Fast and easy..... It is the Crack Pipe Lighter of cooking..

Propane Backpacking stove as a backup.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 08:06:30

We use this thing:

http://www.rei.com/product/816394/brunton-brewfire-dual-fuel-coffee-maker-2009-closeout

Runs on butane or propane.
Coleman has since come out with a similar model:

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=2000008430& categoryid=5180& gclid=CIXI9paAyKwCFcya7Qodomb6qw

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 09:18:08

Wow... a pot of coffee on the boat!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 10:26:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 The Starbucks instant coffee rocks.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

ox·y·mo·ron noun OXYMORON: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness or instant coffee); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 10:55:05

Oxymoron Coffee...

Ya haven't tried it yet I see..... comes in little packets and wow.. just great.

http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/via

Starbucks says if you don't like it they will give you a bag of coffee..

So if you are in a pinch for making a cup of brewed.. Not that it is a "Real" cup of coffee.. but it is good.

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Lynn
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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 19:36:48

We like the non-pressurized alcohol stoves from Origo. We've tried the butane but found if you cruise it's much easier to find alcohol vs. butane cans.

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Response Posted - 11/21/2011 : 20:58:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">easier to find alcohol vs. butane cans<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Oriental grocery stores. 3 pack for less than 1 can at WM and most other suppliers and it takes a lot of cooking to use up 3 cans.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/22/2011 : 05:00:11

<< Oriental grocery stores. >>

And Mexican grocery stores. I'd guess if you were cruising you'd need to stock up.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 11/22/2011 : 07:39:10

I like that Coleman coffee maker....wonder how good it is? That would work great since I already use the propane stove....and my little metal percolator that I've used for more than 20 years now camping....

[url="http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=2000008430&categoryid=5180&gclid=CIXI9paAyKwCFcya7Qodomb6qw"]Coleman Coffee Pot[/url]

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/22/2011 : 08:26:43

I'll stick with my french press. Fill it with hot water, add coffee, wait a few minutes, press the plunger and enjoy a really fine cup. Mine is a 16 oz travel mug style. I can pour it off into cups or drink from the mug.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 11/22/2011 : 09:16:42

French press and an electric hot pot. Haven't slept on the hook in 20 years.

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