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Mountaineer62
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Initially Posted - 01/14/2012 : 13:57:15

For downwind sailing I would like to use a whisker pole; preferably one with lines to extend, with one end clipped onto a mast track, the other to the genoa clew. Can anyone advise their experience including pole mfg., diameter size, and length(s), i.e., collapsed and extended, source, and approx,prices. Can the same pole be used with a spinnaker? Please advise Thanks.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 01/14/2012 : 14:02:58

I use a Forespar 7-17 whisker pole. It resides on a track on the mast. I use my spare jib halyard as topping lift (I have a CDI furler). However, the outboard end of the whisker pole is attached to the sheet and not the clew. This arrangement allows me to furl or roll up the genoa without having to disconnect the pole. Forespar no longer sells the 7-17 pole, they now call it a 7-15.

Here is a photo of it with my old sails from last year:

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Response Posted - 01/15/2012 : 13:16:03

The Forespar ADJ 7-15 HD pole is a good, stout whisker pole. It is a 3-section pole, with twist locking set-up, not lines. For a spinnaker, you should use a single piece pole equal in length to the J-measurement of the boat. For the C-25, that is 10.5 ft.

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Response Posted - 01/16/2012 : 06:54:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 I use a Forespar 7-17 whisker pole. It resides on a track on the mast. I use my spare jib halyard as topping lift (I have a CDI furler). However, the outboard end of the whisker pole is attached to the sheet and not the clew. This arrangement allows me to furl or roll up the genoa without having to disconnect the pole. Forespar no longer sells the 7-17 pole, they now call it a 7-15.

Here is a photo of it with my old sails from last year:

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Dave - do you have a close up of the outboard end of your pole? Like to see how the spare halyard, sheet, and the pole all attaches. (wing on wing under the Skyway...pretty cool)

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Response Posted - 01/16/2012 : 07:41:47

here is a photo from West Marine:

I usually use the fitting upside down from the photo. Pull back on the latch, and rest it on the sheet. The sheet is then free to run through it. Jib halyard gets clipped to one of the two small loops, whichever one happens to be on top.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> (wing on wing under the Skyway...pretty cool)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It was fun. We had people cheering us from their car windows.

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Response Posted - 01/16/2012 : 10:03:04

Now it makes sense, wasn't picturing those two loops at the end, thanks

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Response Posted - 01/17/2012 : 11:51:52

I have a whisker pole but have never used it. Our prevailing winds and lake shape usually find me on a solid beam.

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Response Posted - 01/17/2012 : 17:28:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I have a whisker pole but have never used it. Our prevailing winds and lake shape usually find me on a solid beam.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
This particular day we were wing and wing for 4.5 hours.

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Response Posted - 01/17/2012 : 18:33:15

I've done wing on wing once, for about 20 minutes.....

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 06:32:00

Tom, I see one of my favorite bridges in the background of your pic.

We have considered trailing JD over to Tampa, possibly this summer for our 10 day cruise

Paul

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 14:45:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 Tom, I see one of my favorite bridges in the background of your pic...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The C&D Canal has an almost identical bridge.

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 15:50:21

The C&D bridge may look the same, but the Sunshine Skyway Bridge is almost twice as large. When completed it was the largest cable stayed bridge in the world. The sad part is, that even at 193' vertical clearance, it is still too small for some of today's cruise ships!

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 15:52:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 The C&D bridge may look the same, but the Sunshine Skyway Bridge is almost twice as large. When completed it was the largest cable stayed bridge in the world. The sad part is, that even at 193' vertical clearance, it is still too small for some of today's cruise ships!
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Yes, I should have said similar design, not identical, and not nearly as large. It's still one of the coolest bridges around here.

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 15:54:41

We often go wing & Wing. We have teh same forespar pole, and often hook it into one of the bowlines we use to attach our sheets to the jib (no furler). In a pinch I have used other things as a whisker pole with varying degrees of success including - boathooks, broom handles, etc. The whiskerpole works best.

For a topping lift, we rigged a halyard to the spinnaker pin on the masthead. We never fly spin, so that line is used for the whisker pole when under sail, and for the hammock when at anchor.

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 16:02:34

I picked up a medium duty 6-12' Forespar whisker pole last fall, but didn't have the opportunity to try it yet. (I have a 110, so don't need a real long one.)

Is a topping lift always needed, or can you do without it if the pole is light enough?

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 16:09:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is a topping lift always needed, or can you do without it if the pole is light enough?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I don't know about the lighter poles. IIRC, I tried using my whisker pole without the halyard, what I got was the sail pumping up and down in the swells.

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 19:16:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 I have a whisker pole but have never used it. Our prevailing winds and lake shape usually find me on a solid beam.
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Interested in selling it? I could use it on the bay. If so, make & model?

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Response Posted - 01/18/2012 : 21:10:47

You should not need a topping lift with the 6-12 pole, and it will work just fine with your 110 headsail.

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Response Posted - 01/19/2012 : 04:27:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RhythmDoctor
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 Tom, I see one of my favorite bridges in the background of your pic...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The C&D Canal has an almost identical bridge.
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Paul, it actually DaveJ's picture...although I've been under the bridge quite a few times, never on a sailboat. Was still in HS when the tanker hit the original bridge back in '80. Remember how eery it was crossing afterwards and seeing the span that was hit rise up and just stop.

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Response Posted - 01/19/2012 : 06:10:19

I've been under the skyway numerous times, it's the only way out of Tampa bay into the Gulf of Mexico. I've also been under it in this:

It seemed as if you reached out, you could touch it with your hand!

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Response Posted - 01/19/2012 : 06:54:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 You should not need a topping lift with the 6-12 pole, and it will work just fine with your 110 headsail.
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I never noticed mention of sail size - and I agree, with a 110 things are a little different. Either the wind is screaming or you're sitting still. We only use a pole with the 155%

Also re-reading eth OP, I see the question of a whisker pole doubling as a spin pole. I don't fly spin, but I believe a spin pole is heavier and has different fittings than a whisker pole. I don't think they are interchangeable, but I could be wrong.

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Response Posted - 01/19/2012 : 10:42:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 I never noticed mention of sail size - and I agree, with a 110 things are a little different. Either the wind is screaming or you're sitting still...
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Well, maybe the C250 is a different beast, but we get to hull speed on a beat or reach with breezes well under 10 knots, which is part of the reason we went with a 110 when we were forced to replace our headsail last year. We try to avoid wing and wing, but sailing in a river with a long fetch to the west leaves us occasionally running in narrow confines, so the whisker pole should help maintain a more stable sail shape under those conditions.

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Response Posted - 04/10/2012 : 11:21:44

OMG Davy J you just made my day. My WEEK!!
We were brand new to sailing last season. The guy we crew for during Wed. night races, had me holding the whisker pole at all times because it would keep sliding down the sheet. I never knew you were supposed to hook the jib halyard to it! Duh!!! OMG I am so happy!!! I don't have to stand there for (what seemed like) hours anymore!!! (We are still going to crew for him on his Pearson on Wed. nights, and he's going to crew for us on the Catalina on Saturdays).

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Response Posted - 04/11/2012 : 05:27:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">OMG Davy J you just made my day. My WEEK!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Glad I could Help.

Here is more info on using a whisker pole:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXjlnF88Frw

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Response Posted - 04/11/2012 : 08:28:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Chakana
 OMG Davy J you just made my day. My WEEK!!
We were brand new to sailing last season. The guy we crew for during Wed. night races, had me holding the whisker pole at all times because it would keep sliding down the sheet. I never knew you were supposed to hook the jib halyard to it! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I don't think he's referring to using the actual jib halyard for the pole, but rather a separate, dedicated topping lift.

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Response Posted - 04/11/2012 : 08:45:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I don't think he's referring to using the actual jib halyard for the pole, but rather a separate, dedicated topping lift.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I think if you have any furler other than a CDI, your jib halyard is in use. You would have to rig a separate topping lift.

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