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Stinkpotter
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Initially Posted - 02/02/2012 :  09:44:15  Show Profile
http://www.sailmagazine.com/profiles/mob-keep-your-men-and-women-board
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 :  11:35:32  Show Profile
Interesting that the article said they were both sailing instructors so they knew what to do.

The guy on the foredeck wasn't clipped in and didn't have a PFD on.

Great sailing instructors. NOT!
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 :  11:58:55  Show Profile  Visit Ryan L's Homepage
John, respectfully I disagree. Yes it would have been safer to have been wearing a harness and/or PFD but these guys are extremely experienced and capable (they won the race even after the MOB recovery). They took a calculated risk that didn't pay off due to an extreme factor (rouge wave). Again, I agree that a harness and/or PFD would have been much safer, and I personally use them even in relatively calm conditions, but I personally will be the last person to judge the sailing abilities of two men with far more experience than I have, especially in conditions like they were in. After all they did have a successful MOB recovery, in rough seas and limited visibility, on a 40' race boat with malfunctioning sails, while essentially single handed...

...and once again, they still won the race.

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<br />Interesting that the article said they were both sailing instructors so they knew what to do.

The guy on the foredeck wasn't clipped in and didn't have a PFD on.

Great sailing instructors. NOT!
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 :  12:20:26  Show Profile
Two things come to mind, Ryan. First,
"extreme experience" is questionable at the age of 22. Coupled with the idea that age makes them invincible is probably the precise reason they became complacent and didn't take the simple safety precautions you and I, as far less experienced sailors, know are the right things to do. I can't imagine this kind of stupidity while sailing the Tasman Sea in the "Roaring 40's"

Second, " rough, low-visibility conditions" + no PFD + foredeck = Stupid.

Mr' Goodchild was quoted in another article: “I was a bit overconfident and, in retrospect, crazy not clipping on or wearing my lifejacket, but it was a job that had to be done quickly.”

A lot more on the process of recovery i this article: http://www.thedailysail.com/offshore/12/60931/0/global-ocean-race-man-overboard-incident
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 :  15:06:50  Show Profile  Visit Ryan L's Homepage
Yeah, I agree, it was a bad decision. My point is that one example youthful poor judgement does not mean they are bad instructors. How many lessons take place in those conditions? And yes, if they have been sailing regularly in a wide range of challenging conditions for many of their 22 years then in my opinion they are extremely experienced. Even skilled people can do stupid things. It doesn't make them any less skilled. I guess what I'm saying is I don't see the need to insult them for making a mistake. But I'm not trying to lecture you or anything, I just personally wanted to show them some respect, even if they never read this.

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<br />Two things come to mind, Ryan. First,
"extreme experience" is questionable at the age of 22. Coupled with the idea that age makes them invincible is probably the precise reason they became complacent and didn't take the simple safety precautions you and I, as far less experienced sailors, know are the right things to do. I can't imagine this kind of stupidity while sailing the Tasman Sea in the "Roaring 40's"

Second, " rough, low-visibility conditions" + no PFD + foredeck = Stupid.

Mr' Goodchild was quoted in another article: “I was a bit overconfident and, in retrospect, crazy not clipping on or wearing my lifejacket, but it was a job that had to be done quickly.”

A lot more on the process of recovery i this article: http://www.thedailysail.com/offshore/12/60931/0/global-ocean-race-man-overboard-incident
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 :  19:49:36  Show Profile
Let's just say that they will bring some new perspective to their "students" as instructors in the future. I suspect we've all done something in sudden-reaction-mode that, upon later reflection (and sometimes due to undesirable consequences) was STUPID. I suspect the guy is very thankful that he wasn't single-handing!

All that said, I still wonder why each did not have <i>at the very least</i> a PFD on whenever outside of the "cabin" of that sled... I frequently look at the [url="http://www.doylesails.com/lofts/longisland/pdf/DoyleLongIslandNewsletter1108.pdf"]Class 40 boat <i>Dragon</i>[/url] here in Mystic and try to imagine being on that all-out hot-rod in a gale on the Atlantic--not to mention the Southern Ocean! (I don't know whether they were in that race, but they do those kinds of things.)

In their own words, Dragon is "a bit like a 2500cc Kawasaki unicycle..." BTW, this is essentially the type of boat the girl in San Diego tried to circumnavigate in singlehandedly. No need for her to wear a PFD.
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