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klassi1
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Initially Posted - 04/03/2012 :  08:16:05  Show Profile
I've raced for a couple of years but am by no means an expert. Faced a situation this weekend in which the RC posted a course that required all marks be left to starboard. Not a typical course around here. Can you guys help me understand the pros and cons for this type of course. What are some of the watch outs.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 04/03/2012 :  08:38:51  Show Profile
I can't think of any particular problems with starboard roundings on a windward/leeward course, but on a triangular course, depending on how it is laid out, boats that have rounded the windward mark could be crossing the path of boats that are still approaching the mark, and that means you must be alert to right of way issues, and resolve them quickly and correctly.
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klassi1
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Response Posted - 04/03/2012 :  08:59:32  Show Profile
First course was a triangle, windward/leeward. Second course was a windward/leeward, triangle, windward. Not overly long legs, we sail on an inland mountain lake. 2 fleets with phrf ranging from 115 to 295.

Everything I've seen from US Sailing shows port roundings other than when there is a gate.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/03/2012 :  13:37:09  Show Profile
I suggest that you get a new race committee!
The reason that virtally all races use port roundings is to avoid the potential problems that Steve mentioned. The potential for protests &/or collisions is way too high.
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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 04/03/2012 :  14:51:01  Show Profile  Visit SailCO26's Homepage
Ditto the "new RC" comment. S roundings open up a VERY UGLY tactical situation - most boats like to approach the W mark on S (understandably). S roundings then create a traffic issue where now the S-layline parade has to cross with boats ahead and rounding. Basically you've created the ol' "buttonhook" rounding that is to be avoided (and partially helped with the offset). Unfortunately the offset doesnt really help much with S roundings - you still have the traffic problems that an offset (and P roundings) are intended to alleviate.

S roundings at a L gate arent as big a deal because a gate by design will help separate traffic, and there are very few racers interested in taking the S gate when they want the R side of the course upwind and thus have to cross back thru traffic. Tho I suppose there *could* be situations where the P gate is in such a cluster as to make the S-gate/P-tack route strategically viable.
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Edit: the above applies to the typical short W/L and "triangle" courses. Some of those funky olympic "N" or other goofball courses dont have the same issue and S-roundings work fine. Distance races - no factor at all really. Match race S roundings can work also.
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klassi1
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Response Posted - 04/05/2012 :  13:45:55  Show Profile
Thanks guys. The RC has pledged not to do a course like last weekend again. Guess he got ALOT of feedback.
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