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Prospector
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Initially Posted - 04/23/2012 : 18:15:40

I often giggle at other folks who put these daydreaming threads up, but I ahve raced (and beat) this boat, and this sale is nothing but disillusioned skipper cleaning out a spot in the driveway...

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-30-Pearson-Flyer-and-trailer-for-sale-W0QQAdIdZ370791155

"Iris"
1984 FK/SR #4040
http://frosthaus.blogspot.com/

Take a minute to register your boat with the association!!
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/owner_questionnaire.htm

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 18:49:22

You're only $10k away from joining the Admiralty!

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 18:51:09

It looks like a nice boat, and for those with 5-foot-itis, it would be perfect! I assume that the boat has plied the waters of Lake Ontario, or Lake Simcoe?

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 19:09:55

lets see -- not a swinger for skinny water
WHAT is your point.....

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 19:14:55

This C30 for $8,000.00 with an upgraded diesel had me thinking???

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/boa/2950320910.html

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redeye
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 05:21:40

"Woodchips"...

pretty funny.

Lotta great deals out there right now.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 06:23:54

I don't know anything about Pearsons....but a 30'er in good shape with a trailer, for only $10.5k...seems like a really good deal...no?

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 06:38:26

Thing is I know the boat, and the owner is a guy who obsesses on one thing, then switches to the next. When he bought the boat, he had the decks recored, bought all new sails, bought the trailer, re-did the electronics and wood, and then bought a road bike and took up cycling.

I suspect in a year or two he'll have a couple really nice bikes for sail when he takes up Paragliding maybe??? competitive tiddley winks??? Who knows.

Trouble is its a raceboat, and I need to be able to camp out with the family on it to get SWMBO's buy-in. Maybe I can install a galley table and call it a cruiser.

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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 06:43:26

Wow, 8k for the CAT 30, just the boat we are looking for, but would like something with a little work, not too much.....e-mail sent to seller.

The pearson flyer is more racer than cruiser for sure....spartan interior

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 08:00:36

1984 C25 for $4K - newer cushions, color coordinated carpet with bound edges.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/2947039761.html

Another C30 for $13.5K

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/2967862191.html

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 08:22:42

Our former Commodore, Jim Baumgart, moved up to a Pearson Flyer for ocean racing off San Diego. He's a genuine hard-core racer who got tired of correcting to third in ocean races where he finished so late (on his C-25 SR/FK) the party was over when he got there. Look up Sly McFly Racing on Facebook and Youtube. He now regularly spars with J-30s and such--the Flyer is a fairly hot boat (140-150 PHRF), and he's put a lot into his, including crew training. The C-30s he used to race with his 25 can't play with him any more.

Chris, if you "beat" a Flyer, it had to be sailing with a broken mast, or ran aground somewhere. (If you corrected over him, well I can understand that--he's giving you about 1-1/3 minutes per mile.)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/24/2012 08:40:14

Prospector
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:21:45

No I flat out beat him. Lemme see if the races are still on the club pages. The other flyer in our club I couldn't touch.

2010 when both of us were barely getting out there - http://www.sailgeorgina.ca/racing/2010.results/race11.html

Year before he beat me many times, but I was often right behind him:
http://www.sailgeorgina.ca/racing/2008.results/race5.html
http://www.sailgeorgina.ca/racing/2008.results/race9.html
http://www.sailgeorgina.ca/racing/2008.results/race10.html
http://www.sailgeorgina.ca/racing/2008.results/race18.html (1 second difference)

Overall he finished in 2nd on the 2008 season, and he did catch his pace late in teh year, but 2009 and 2010 we barely ever faced off against each other. In 2011 I don't think his boat left its slip.

For some reason my results in 2009 are missing on the club standings.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:38:01

Yepper.. that sounds kinda funny beating a pearson 30 with a catalina 25.. The bottom musta needed cleaning.

Thatsa pretty boat.

Also such a good way to pick up a boat, knowing the previous owner.

Hit me when he posts his bikes!

SlyMcFly would be the man to talk to about the change.

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 11:53:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 ...that sounds kinda funny beating a pearson 30 with a catalina 25...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...and that ain't no ordinary Pearson 30 (which a good C-25 could easily challenge). Pearson built the Flyer as a low-budget ocean racer that they hoped would gain one-design prominance. It seems the various Js simply eclipsed it. The 30' Flyer is rated over a minute/mile faster than their cruising 30.

The Flyer's substantial beam makes more room below than the flush deck would suggest, but the standard interior is spartan--more for storing sails than for living in. It could probably be outfitted as a decent weekender... But the key is, if the sails and overall condition are as advertised, it could be a cheap ticket into a very different level of competition, which is exactly what Jim B. was looking for. (Keeping her competitive will cost more than with a C-25.)

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 12:26:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 Yepper.. that sounds kinda funny beating a pearson 30 with a catalina 25.. The bottom musta needed cleaning.

Thatsa pretty boat.

Also such a good way to pick up a boat, knowing the previous owner.

Hit me when he posts his bikes!

SlyMcFly would be the man to talk to about the change.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

There are more than a few 30' boats you can beat on straight time with a C-25, but it depends on both skippers and both boats and how bad everyone wants what they are after.

If he starts selling his bikes, I'll let you know.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 16:55:30

Always fun to look at 30 footers. If we were on a larger body of water with a longer season we'd most probably own a C30 (we easily have that much invested in our C25 and trailer.) Our usage costs are minimal . . . $475 for a mooring and $0 off-season storage. Then there's the exponentially more expensive parts factor - kind of snaps you out of the dream state.

The trailer for the Pearson Flyer looks woefully under spec'd.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 18:06:37

The boat weighs less than ours does. That trailer is plenty adequate. It was custom built when he bought the boat.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 18:54:42

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 20:19:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 The boat weighs less than ours does. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Wow!
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OK, I exaggerated. Brochure weight on teh pearson is 6135 lbs compared with ours at 4500. But still, its a very light boat, mostly balsa. http://circussyndicate.com/Documents/flyer-4.jpg

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 04/24/2012 : 21:37:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 ...Brochure weight on teh pearson is 6135 lbs compared with ours at 4500. But still, its a very light boat, mostly balsa...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...compared to over 10K+ lbs. for the C-30. Balsa is a lot lighter than Catalina's plywood core, but turns to mush quicker if it gets wet. Makes me appreciate my Nida Core.

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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 04/25/2012 : 06:51:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ape-X
 Wow, 8k for the CAT 30, just the boat we are looking for, but would like something with a little work, not too much.....e-mail sent to seller.

The pearson flyer is more racer than cruiser for sure....spartan interior
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Hull #541: What do people know of the Cat 30's on here?
newer universal 3cyl Diesel replacing the Atomic 4
newer Sails
Painted Hull (I know....right...)
VC tar/VC17 bottom with some chipping of the tar

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 04/25/2012 : 06:58:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Aesthetically the boat needs some TLC.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I'd have to see it...but when you mention it in the ad and don't post any pictures of the boat.....

The $8k price very well may reflect the absolute $h!Tton of work this one's gonna need. It is a Mark I and will have a tiller. A late Mark II or a Mark III are the choice C30's to get. I'd love to have a strong, pretty Mark III, but they usually run $45k plus.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/25/2012 : 07:45:32

I'd have to see the boat as well, but when I bought my C25, it was very much in need of some TLC, as aesthetically, it looked a bit like a derelict after having spent a year or two underneath a huge maple tree without being covered and it had moss growing on the north side. Since the seller just wanted to be rid of the boat, he gave it away for a song. His loss, my gain. After a little soap and water, it looked like a new boat.

Around here, used sailboats are a dime a dozen. At one time there were five C25's in my marina, all of which were purchased for under $3,000.00.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 04/25/2012 : 07:58:53

Around here there are deals, but they are few and far between. Even in this market people are proud of their boats.

[url="http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/9592"]'81 Catalina 25[/url]

This poor thing has been for sale for 4 years. It was for sale last year when I was shopping, and I bought mine just 7 slips down for less than half what this dude wants for his dock queen. It's still for sale. Still sitting in the slip. Has not moved. Same ratty lines tying her up. Same rotting canvas covers. Same spray painted motor. Covered in spider webs.

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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 04/25/2012 : 09:47:44

wheel steering, replaced electronics look poorly sorted (patched bulkhead on both sides of the companionway.) Cushions look good and new-"ish" quantum sails. I haven't gotten that far into my saving fora new boat plan yet though....grrrr I may still look at that price point though.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 04/25/2012 : 16:45:17

I would be very wary of an 8K C-30. There are many reasons why a boat would be listed at half it's value, and most of them are bad.

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