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Looking to upgrade from a Capri 22 to a 25

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shnool
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Initially Posted - 05/01/2012 : 10:33:39

I was hoping to hear it from this group... What do I need to watch out for on a 1981 boat? I have only pictures right now, boat appears to be sound with a sound trailer (albeit will need TLC)...

Down below the boat appears to have minor water stains on some of the teak/holly sole, no rot... the compression post seems intact but again water stains. Boat has been sitting for the last 2 years under shrinkwrap. It's configured to cruise with a main, and roller furling. Has a newer outboard (4 stroke) in OK condition. Electrical is a mess (nothing works, so either the panel or the battery is toast, but all electronics worked last checked prior to last year). Bottom seems pristine, just needs another coat of paint to be "ready."

I've been an active member over at capri22.net and I realize the 25 capri 25 was sold in lesser numbers. I hope that most of the parts are still available through catalinadirect (my savior for parts right now).

My reason for upgrading is, I have plenty of tow vehicle. The lake I sail has lots of chop, but is deep (average 40 feet). I don't trailer sail much (have a slip) so it's launch and retrieve once a year.

I frequently solo-sail the 22 (which has the race package) but with hank-on foresails... I have a furler for my boat now, so I am OK using either.

Finally, I know several of the 22 full fin keel guys trailer launch their boats (using straps and winches).. how hard is it to do with this boat? Anyone have any tips for setting it up?

C&C 32 Smith Mountain Lake Virginia

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shnool
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Response Posted - 05/01/2012 : 10:34:20

I should point out, upgrade to a Capri 25.

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joearcht
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Response Posted - 05/02/2012 : 05:29:08

Best advice I have for you is to read as much as you can of the past forum threads on this site. That will give you a great overview of all of the problems real or imagined that effect this boat as well as give you trim suggestions etc.
I my opinion there are two significant weak points in the boat.
One is the "hidden" bilge and the other is a weak transom. I'd investigate the bilge closely based on the water staining you are reporting. There are drawings of the keel attachment on this website. Note the wood blocking between the inner lining and the hull. If this wood is compromised I think you have a real problem with the boat.
As for launching and retrieving the boat, I suspect it is about the same as the full keel Capri 22 just a little more weight.
Good Luck!

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shnool
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Response Posted - 05/02/2012 : 05:33:38

Yes, I've read where the bulkheads, and the compression post can be huge issues. I've discovered the boat was listed about 5 years ago, prior to present listing. The condition is essentially unaltered since that date... Teak/holly sole was replaced in 2005... so must have had an issue at some point (or was worn out).

As for searching this site, I've tried to read every posting over the last couple years to get a "flavor."

Do many of you trailer launch?

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Fleet
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Response Posted - 05/02/2012 : 09:11:18

My two cents. As long as the mast, rigging, bottom and fiberglass is solid then everything else is minor to repair or replace. Inspect the rear bulkheads. It's possible to replace them but they are a pain to remove and re-install. It's hard to completely seal a Capri 25 from leaks. Windows and the long genoa tracks are issues. My windows have been good for three years now but I have perpetual small leaks on the tracks. The center shroud goes into an adjustable chain plate. That was always a big source for leaks so I finally pulled them and had them welded. Wiring is simple and is easily replaced or modified. See if there is play in the rudder. You may have to re-glass or install mylar shims to reduce the play. Trailer launching should be similar to the 22. I built a 6' wooden cradle to help capture the mast at the rear of the boat and installed an 8' galvanized pole on the front of the trailer to help give some leverage with lifting the mast. I know the transom is weak but I couldn't find a max weight spec for the motor. I'm running a 2 stroke 4hp Yamaha that weighs 47 lbs and hadn't had any issues. I did have a 70 lb Mercury 6hp before and that worried me. How much does that 4 stroke weigh?

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shnool
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Response Posted - 05/02/2012 : 12:21:02

Your responses sound very similar to findings with the 22 honestly. With the race rig, there are two sets of "tracks" 2 sets of winches, and the windows can develop leaks.

Was also reading that the stern lockers are open to below (like mine is to starboard)... and can be an issue in a swamping, so is best to lock them, better to seal them.

I've done a lot of work to my 22 so I am familiar with upkeep, I just want to know where my focus will have to be. And you folks are a big help.

I'd not race one design, only PHRF, and the boat I'm looking at seems rigged for cruise (dacron furler, and dacron main). It does however, have rigging for a spin, and have a spinnaker.

Oh, and presently I draw only 2.5' of water with my wing, drawing 4.5 feet likely makes launching more interesting.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/02/2012 : 12:44:18

Spend all of your time on the bottom and the rudder and keel. Remove any old paint and reply with vc17 or go back to gelcoat. Template the keel and champher the keel joint. Remove play in the rudder and you are 70% there. Buy new sails and the boat will be just like new. Get a big blue trap and cover the boat when not in use.

Everything else is gravy. Boat launches from trailer super easy.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 06/08/2012 : 19:24:23

Ok, I have a verbal agreement on a 1983 model.. the owner has registerred here before with his boat. He's kept is nicely over the years... so I expect little problems.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 04:25:11

I now own "Happy Flapper" hull 287. The boat was nicely maintained by the previous owner. I promised to take him sailing if he should be in the area... I think he's gonna miss her. I salute him, his ambition. The boat is in great shape.

http://www.shnool.com/images/capri25/TruckAndTrailer.jpg

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Fleet
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 05:05:24

Congratulations! I will be sad when the day comes that I part with my Capri 25. My wife has already stated that I need a bigger boat but I'm not ready to make that jump yet. Enjoy the 25, she'll be good to you.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 18:28:26

Fun phone call from the racing fleet organizer this evening.
Him: "I heard you bought a boat."
Me: "Yep, picked it up this weekend, upgraded from the 22"
Him: "Looked up the Portsmouth ratings... That's a pretty fast boat! did you intend to do that?"
Me: "Nope I just liked the lines, Seriously, life's too short to sail a slow boat."
Him: "Well you have a choice now, you can race 'one design fleet' or 'racing fleet.'"

hehehe... Apparently my option of racing "cruising fleet" is now gone. I opted for racing fleet. What they do is release the "cruisers" then 15 minutes later the "racers," then finally the "one designs." The guy I really wanted to go up against was the man I was speaking with on the phone. I asked if he had the S2. he said "yeah." I was like why so glum. He goes, well I was the first in the group to get one... now we have 6. I said yep I picked up on that. I wanted something different, and I loved my Capri 22, but wanted something quicker.

Fun conversation though.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 19:00:22

I have raced both the S2 and the Capri 25 The S2 will take you in heavy winds, but you will be also in trouble if they raise the keel downwind in the light stuff. You have allot of work cut out for you.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 19:24:04

Strictly looking at how they sail, the S2 is rated better, and as it picks up (as you say), it is handily better. Interestingly enough when it's puffy/gusty, I was able to hold my own when they were just "practicing" when it was just my capri 22. So because the lake is so fickle at times, it's anyone's game depending how you play the puffs.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 06/11/2012 : 19:51:47

Yea, different boats but raced both for 3 years. They are different rigs with the Capri being a masthead rig, find my thread on tuning and read how to set the boat up. I can't say anything about the Capri 22, but the 25 you will learn to shift gears a lot due to wind speed and wave height, the freeboard on the 25 is low and I have had the rail buried in the waves sheeting in the jib, might have cross sheeting set for heavy air. The foredeck on the 25 is much easier to get around, and it's also the only keel boat I have ever passed the bow wave and plained downwind under spinnaker and in 30 knot winds. We had set the 130 up as we set out and got hit by a good system knocking us over in irons till e got the sail down and the job up. With practice and a good crew member you can race with spinnaker with 2.

Looks like a great boat and wish you a very happy season of kicking some S2 butt.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 06/12/2012 : 03:46:07

Well if I am reading it right... I will be released in the race fleet 15 minutes before the one design fleet. Which means if I see the S2 I've done something drastically wrong.

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