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GaryB
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Initially Posted - 06/05/2012 : 05:39:53

I have the opportunity to purchase a used furling jib from a std rig C25. The sail is in good shape but the dimensions don't sound right for a 110%. The dimensions on the sail I'm interested in are:

Luff – 27’ 2”
Leach – 24’ 3”
Foot – 12’ 5”

Would that be considered a 100%?

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GaryB
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 06/05/2012 : 05:58:25

Technically, it depends on what the LP measurement is. The LP is a line that is perpendicular to the luff of the sail extending to the clew. But, those are the dimensions that are listed in the owners [url="http://catalina-capri-25s.org/manbro/Cat25Post88scanned.pdf"]manual for your boat, page 9[/url]. So, I'd assume that to be an original C25 110% sail.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 06/05/2012 : 05:58:57

It's a 110%. Here's the manual with the same dimensions: http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/manbro/Cat25Post88scanned.pdf

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/05/2012 : 06:12:25

For the first six or seven years, I had a 150 on my furler which was a bit big for my prevailing winds, but I tend to carry too much sail, rather than too little. When I shredded it in a blow, I replaced it with a 135, which took some getting used to as the reduced sail area affected performance, but for me, a 110 would be way too small. My last boat came with both a 110 and a 150. Since I hardly ever used the 110, it was in like new condition despite being about twenty years old.

Is a 110 the right sail for your venue's prevailing winds?

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 06/05/2012 : 19:29:36

The sail is off an '87 and the measurements are different although I'm not sure why.

A 110 works good on Galveston Bay during the winter and during hurricane's. :)

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CarbonSink62
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Response Posted - 08/30/2012 : 07:36:03

I'm looking at a used 150 from a '77 C25 Standard Rig. The seller measured the Luff at 30' 7" but that is 7" longer than the pre-88 manual says. He says it flew on his boat years ago (he has roller furling now).

Here are the numbers:
Seller Pre-88 Manual (SR 150)
Luff 30’ 7” 30’ 0”
Leach 27’ 2” 28’ 6”
Foot 17’ 2” 16’ 6”

(The forum ate my formatting)

The measurements don't match the SR or the TR, so it is a custom sail; will a headsail with a 30' 7" luff fly on my '82 SR?

The forestay is listed at 29' 10", if that includes the turnbuckle there is no way this sail will work; right?

I'll take some measurements tonight.

Ken

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 08/30/2012 : 11:41:07

Measure your forestay and see. Attach a tape measure to your jib halyard and hoist it to the top and measure. Secure it well so it does not come apart. That sail sounds like the leach is long.

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Response Posted - 08/30/2012 : 21:17:10

The luff not only can't be longer than the forestay--it can't be as long. At a minimum you have to allow for shackles at the head and the tack. And, if the length is sufficient to pull the shackle all the way to the mast-head, you have the prospect of jamming the halyard splice on the sheave (damaging the sheave).

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CarbonSink62
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Response Posted - 08/31/2012 : 08:13:10

I measured by sending a line up with the halyard, marking it at the stem fitting and then laying the line on the float and measuring it in 3 parts with my 12' foot rule. I mention that to show that there could be a few inches of error.

I got 29' 7"; so any headsail would have to have a luff of 29' 5" or less. I don't see how I could fly the 150 genny that would have come with the boat (luff = 30' 0").

Is there a C25 Short Rig?

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 09/02/2012 : 08:41:20

I think that there are a lot of sails out there that don't fit quite perfectly. Our big genoa doesn't appear to have been cut for a C-25 tall mast and could be a little bit longer in the luff too. The prior owner (who was the child of the original owner) didn't know that it was a tall mast and could have ordered a large genoa for a standard.

I did a lot of measuring to confirm that my C-25 was a tall and not a standard. The one that confirmed it the best for me was taping my measuring tape to the main halyard and measuring the actual length of the mast. Of course last weekend I was cleaning up the boat and reading old paperwork and found the original bill of sale which plain as day says "tall rig" in the set of options.

I've never heard of a short rig. The forestay could be shorter than expected if your mast is raked forward (not desirable at all). You could test that by measuring the rake using a weight hanging from your main halyard. The short rig forestay should be 29'10", which is very close to your measurement of 29'7".

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/02/2012 : 10:17:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 For the first six or seven years, I had a 150 on my furler which was a bit big for my prevailing winds, but I tend to carry too much sail, rather than too little. When I shredded it in a blow, I replaced it with a 135, which took some getting used to as the reduced sail area affected performance, but for me, a 110 would be way too small. My last boat came with both a 110 and a 150. Since I hardly ever used the 110, it was in like new condition despite being about twenty years old.

Is a 110 the right sail for your venue's prevailing winds?
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I would have agreed with you a year ago. Since moving to Lk Ontario though, I find my 110% getting almost as much use as my 155% - enough that I am thinking of changing my PHRF score and not using the bigger sail.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/03/2012 : 19:08:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by CarbonSink62
 I measured by sending a line up with the halyard, marking it at the stem fitting and then laying the line on the float and measuring it in 3 parts with my 12' foot rule. I mention that to show that there could be a few inches of error.

I got 29' 7"; so any headsail would have to have a luff of 29' 5" or less. I don't see how I could fly the 150 genny that would have come with the boat (luff = 30' 0").

Is there a C25 Short Rig?

I'll measure again with my 100' tape measure by sending the tape up to the masthead, that should remove much of the possible error.

I had to pass on the used 150; it's a shame, my only headsail is small jib that only goes about 2/3 of the way up the forestay and barely makes it past the mast. It doesn't seem to be from a C25 at all.
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How much were you going to pay for the 150?

I've got a 110 and a 150 I might think about selling. Both are hank-ons. I'm pretty sure both are original to the boat. The 110 is in slightly better condition due to less use over the years but both sails are in pretty good condition. Both could use a cleaning.

You can see the lower end of the 150 in the photo with my signature. That was approx. years ago but the sail hasn't been out of the bag in over a year. The 110 even longer (I got a furler in June 2011).

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CarbonSink62
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Response Posted - 09/04/2012 : 09:25:17

I found the pic I took of the jib I have; it seems to be the factory 110. The luff is just a few feet short of the forestay length and the manual says it should be 27' 2".

The foot is raised up off the foredeck by a pennant from the clew to the stem fitting (maybe for visibility?). I think I'll remove this to keep the CE low and resolve the vision issue by moving my head.

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awetmore - I was joking about the C25 Short Rig. I know I have a standard, but I still don't understand how I could fly the 'factory' 150 genny with a luff of 30' 0" when my forestay seems to be 29' 7" (give or take).

GaryB - nice try; what are you asking?

(actually I'm tapped out for this season. I'll look into a larger headsail in the spring (or for Christmas!).

Edited by - CarbonSink62 on 09/04/2012 10:06:05

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