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Mid boom sheeting and cockpit traveler

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fineg
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Initially Posted - 06/15/2012 : 13:05:56

Does anyone have any experience moving the main sail traveler to the cockpit in order to improve the traveler effectiveness? This would also require moving to mid-boom sheeting. My ulterior motive (ok, maybe my main motive!) is to be able to have the bimini actually cover the majority of the cockpit while sailing. I sail in AZ, and when its hot, its HOT! To clear the mainsheet, the bimini has to be pretty far forward - ok for passengers leaning against the cabin or standing on the cabin ladder but not ok for the Captain sitting back there in the sun. Being more forward would also allow the traveler to actually be effective in managing the main sail. On the stern, given the angle from the end of the boom to the traveler, its got limited effect at best. I usually don't bother adjusting it.

Greg
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/15/2012 : 13:20:40

Use your tiller extension, or install one, and sit in the middle of the cockpit. That's the least expensive route. Then, when you need to see the main for sail trim, you can still stand up behind the bimini. Alternatively, some members have installed a short traveler on the ledge just before the companionway opening, and set a shorter bimini farther aft.

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Novi
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Response Posted - 06/15/2012 : 18:13:51

Greg - I wish I had your problem, for my little cruise today the air temp out on the water was in the low 40s. Wore a hat gloves and winter jacket!

I have a bimini I never use - moving north might be an easier option for you to beat the heat

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Response Posted - 06/15/2012 : 19:52:57

Check [url="http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21505&whichpage=1"]this thread[/url] (one of several on the subject). I like the one bridging the seats against the bulkhead and companionway sill. Just add a bail on the boom. (Leave the old traveler in case you or a later owner wants to be class-legal.)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 06/15/2012 19:55:12

fineg
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Response Posted - 06/15/2012 : 20:38:46

Todd, I like your idea. Wish I could move north, though not that far!

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fineg
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Response Posted - 06/15/2012 : 20:49:09

Thanks Dave. Great shot of an alternate traveler location. That was what I had in mind. But, it didn't occur to me that the cockpit seats and the cabin entrance are different heights. That could be a trip hazard as some in that thread pointed out. I actually have a step installed at the cabin entrance that extends the "sill" by another 6 inches. Very convenient for getting in and out of the cabin, but it would further complicate this type of installation. I can just see a foot getting stuck under the traveller on the step!

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hewebb
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Response Posted - 06/17/2012 : 04:28:18

I have a mid boom main sheet that mounts to the cabin area on each side of the companionway. Here is a photo that shows one side only. Sorry I do not have a photo showing both sides. The main sheet line is a continuous line.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/17/2012 : 06:45:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Novi
 I have a bimini I never use
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Interested in selling it?

When I'm sailing, I sit in the front half of the cockpit. The tiller is comfortably to my left or right, depending on tack. I can lean over and trim the main when needed, and the jib sheet winch is straight across from me.

During more challenging conditions I'll sit a bit closer to the main sheet, but still about mid cockpit.

Howard - Your tags are wrong...the img tags have nothing between them.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/19/2012 : 07:12:44

I wonder if the system that Jeanneau uses on this boat would work on a C25. It looks like a continuous line that runs down both sides of the boat. The two blocks on the roof could be situated on both sides of the companionway.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 06/19/2012 : 10:21:02

Is that basically a very large scale version of the Lightning traveler?

http://www.lightningclass.org/resources/riggingIdeas/index.asp

I haven't sailed a Lightning (yet, Center for Wooden Boats has one that I should rent), but the setup seems interesting.

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Novi
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Response Posted - 06/21/2012 : 17:08:09

Scott - I'm going to keep it (the bimini) for now, I'd truly regret selling if this global warming thing really takes off.

I've raced many dinghies that have a bridle system in place of a traveler. Here is the best picture I could find as an example from a 420.

This eliminates the need for a traveler track and car system by "floating" the main sheet blocks on the bridle. For larger main sails like the International 14s (bigger main than the C25) we set up 4:1 purchase on each side of the bridle for easier adjustment.

The biggest challenge for setting up this system for the C25 is it works best if the terminal block and cleat for the sheet are mounted on the floor or on a thwart mid cockpit. It would be possible to have the cleat on the "floating" bridle. You've got me thinking - I'm going to toy with setting up a prototype this weekend - I'll take some pictures. One thing is for sure - I really don't like the stock traveler, useless IMHO.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 : 08:23:04

If you change your mind....I'm baking in the Texas sun.....

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 : 08:48:57

I'm curious to see how it works out. I'll have to check out one of these systems in person too.

I wouldn't call the stock traveler useless, it just isn't great. You can use it for the intended purpose of increasing downward tension on the boom using the mainsheet and controlling boom location with the traveler. You just don't get a very wide adjustment span.

As I get more into sailing this is one of the upgrades on my mind. I should consider picking up some of the hardware while Fisheries Supply is having their big sale on Harken stuff.

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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 : 09:37:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by awetmore
 I wouldn't call the stock traveler useless, it just isn't great. You can use it for the intended purpose of increasing downward tension on the boom using the mainsheet and controlling boom location with the traveler. You just don't get a very wide adjustment span.
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To increase the virtual size of the traveler, I employ vang sheeting when the traveler has reached it's rather limited span. To do this, I use the vang to control leech tension when the mainsheet can no longer do so, as when the traveler has reached it's limit. With the vang controlling leech tension, the mainsheet is then used to just control the mainsl's angle of attack thus appearing to make the traveler that much longer.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 : 10:30:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by awetmore
 ...I wouldn't call the stock traveler useless, it just isn't great.
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I agree...I use my traveler...it does make a difference. It's not a huge difference of course, but the casual, relaxed sailing I do in relatively benign conditions....it does make a difference.

And considering [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23440"]what I went through[/url] to fix it....I'm using it.....

Edited by - Joe Diver on 06/22/2012 10:31:55

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