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jkountz
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Initially Posted - 01/12/2003 : 20:41:16

I am planning on adding a rail mounted Lifesling and 5:1 hoisting tackle. Since I do not have a ready halyard I was considering using the topping lift to attach the block.

I am interested in how other 250 owners have solved this problem.

Most of all, I am particularly interested in hearing from anyone that has first hard experience in doing a MOB recovery.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/13/2003 : 10:45:08

I have the same system on GALLIVANT, a C25T. I did not install the extra hardware for hoisting however since, having assended my mast using the jib halyard and primary winches, I feel confident I can get the average person on board with it. I'm a six footer and weigh 204 lbs..

I haven't had any practical experience with a person overboard. There is an article in each of the last two monthly Sail magazines regarding this topic. Good info to mull over.

Al
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/13/2003 : 13:10:34

jkountz

Here are a couple of threads about the subject. This is from November 2002.
www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=2220

This one from July 2002

www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=1560

Bryan Beamer
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 01/14/2003 : 09:21:00

Hey Al,

The question may not be so much whether you can recover someone who has fallen off your boat. Rather, it may be can someone on your boat rescue you if you have fallen into the water.

Will they know what gear to use and how to use it? Have they been trained in MOB procedures? And so on.

Kathy and I have an agreement that either one of us can throw a cushion overboard without warning and call "Man Overboard" at any time. The other has to "rescue" the cushion single handed. I'm confident that she can get back to me without running Snickerdoodle over me. And, that she can help get me aboard - even if I've been injured...........and visa versa.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/14/2003 : 10:58:33

["Will they know what gear to use and how to use it? Have they been trained in MOB procedures? And so on.

Kathy and I have an agreement that either one of us can throw a cushion overboard without warning and call "Man Overboard" at any time. The other has to "rescue" the cushion single handed. I'm confident that she can get back to me without running Snickerdoodle over me. And, that she can help get me aboard - even if I've been injured...........and visa versa".

Bill, You're lucky. You get to sail with your wife. My wonderful bride hates sailing because of the heeling aspect. As a result I race/cruise with a regular crew of friends who are very familiar with my boat and how to sail it. The only time I'm at risk is when I sail alone. I use a life preserver all the time but on Lake Superior, with water temps at 53 degrees, life expectancy can be short if not picked up fast. The general saying up here is that a life jacket merely helps the Coast Guard find your body easier. Sooooooo, practice makes perfect, one hand for yourself all the time, use jack lines and tether in bad weather, and yes, wear a life jacket.

Al
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ssteakley
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 23:32:23

Al, your post may need to be read again by all the rest of us...even those who sail in warmer waters. I use a PFD when I am singlehanding in high winds but maybe I need to consider jack lines and a harness as well,
I will not freeze in central Texas but the idea of having to swim for any distance in 68 degree water is not very appealing either,
Steve Steakley

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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 07:11:28

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I am interested in how other 250 owners have solved this problem. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> One of the main reasons I decided on a 250 over many boats was the walk through transom. I think in addition to the recreational value it offers it will also make retrieval, of a person or dog, easier (to date we have not retrieved anything that has slipped through the transom). We also do MOB drills often, but probably not often enough yet. Our ASA course taught the figure 8 and until we have that down perfectly we will use it before adding other methods. We always have throw cushions and a bright colored floatable line in the cockpit. As Bryan pointed out this topic has been discussed a few times but, I am always happy that it does come up often. Sailors according to the USCG stats <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle> are very safe boaters. The link below should get you to 2000 USCG stats if anybody is interested. http://www.uscgboating.org/statistics/Boating_Statistics_2000.pdf

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 09:00:59

Good point about the walk thru transom. Ayla, (Sheltie) sailed with Lin and I last summer and needed only slight help in getting back aboard after a swim.

In this vein of thought, and remembering a long thread on the forum several years ago now, the conclusion was drawn that for boats equiped with a good swim ladder... it should be the primary method of recovery. If the water is cold, time is important and the ladder much quicker than rigging slings and hoist.

This does present the issue of getting to the swim ladder. A single hander over the side on a six foot teather and unable to get back over the rail is hung so to speak. If he releases the quick shackle on the teather, and the boat has any weigh...it's gone.

For this reason, I added a 15' teather to my harness. It is folded and then secured with velcro to one of the shoulder straps. With it, if I go over the side, then its a matter of attaching the caribiner of the long teather to the ring (place at which the webbing is secured) of the short teather's snap shackle. Then the short teather can be released giving 15 more feet to reach the stern swim ladder.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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jkountz
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 22:04:05

The extension tether sounds like a very good idea, particularly for single handed situations.

Stern boarding might not be a good idea in heavy seas. A sailing buddy that is very experienced in heavy weather said that people have been killed by the stern as it heaves, by be sucked under the stern and then crushed as at came crashing down. He said side boarding was the safest technique in heavy seas.

I've decided on using a 5:1 purchase and use the topping lift as the high attachment point. The tackle is stored in the port locker with other emergency equipment for ready access.

Thanks for all the feedback.

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