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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 07/05/2012 : 04:34:57

At 64 I notice I sure don't have the stamina that I used to. After getting the sails up, lines adjusted and motor raised I have to sit back and catch my breath. I stay active and keep my weight down but still just can't bounce around the boat like I used to. I tend to move slower and look for the easiest way to accomplish a chore.

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islander
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Response Posted - 07/05/2012 : 16:01:00

Does anybody know of a pool with egg shaped pods laying on the bottom that we can go swimming in?

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Response Posted - 07/05/2012 : 16:12:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 Does anybody know of a pool with egg shaped pods laying on the bottom that we can go swimming in?
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I first read that and thought: "huh?". Then I got it and laughed. Hopefully Tahnee Welch is there to supervise.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/05/2012 : 17:46:47

I feel younger already! And wishing I were a dolphin.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/05/2012 : 19:08:20

Yall ever been to the organ recital?

Anyhoo... the muslims pray ( bend over and stretch their back ) about 5 times a day... Think about it.

The Bone Docs say the most effective thing you can do to prolong life is stand on a board on a ball.. core body strength.

3 days on the boat are ideal for me too.. Day one you are stiff. Day two you are stiff and sore. Day three and I start moving around like a cat. I dream of finding more 3 day stretches on the boat.

One of my Docs has a stand up desk with a treadmill.. and Jimmy Gills ( Dr. James Gills ) is/was a force in developing the Ironman branding and they joke about him having to get around with a walker now, point being a good level is somewhere between a walk and an Ironman Triathlon.

I didn't ride the bike to work today, and I'm kickin myself. I can every Thursday. Thanks JohnP for the inspiration.

I usta lift weights, but they were too heavy. Too fat to run on roads anymore, so I'm back on the bike and sailing is one of my favorite ways to get exercise. Ya just gotta be real careful... and I just can't tell you how many times I've seen somebody that has apparently forgotten, ya gotta bend your knees and stay low, arms out and watch your balance and grab hold.

Whack something at this age you can break a bone. I break blood vessels easily. At age 55, 6 foot and 250 lbs I'm a walking accident, so I gotta be aware.

I did 41 miles on the bike last Sunday, 8-12 am and finished up in 100+ degree heat. Sarah and Melissa did an Olympic distance Triathlon on Saturday in 100+ degree heat ( I was crew ), and Sarah did 61 miles on the bike Sunday morning ( her computer saying 107 at 12:30 when she finished ).. and the Peachtree Road Race yesterday... Today for her was Swim, work, spin...

My problem for age is "What do I wear to the Gym????"

www.dailymile.com is my recommendation for inspiration.

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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 : 05:51:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I first read that and thought: "huh?". Then I got it and laughed. Hopefully Tahnee Welch is there to supervise.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Well Dave, At least the grey matter is still working!

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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 : 06:37:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I first read that and thought: "huh?". Then I got it and laughed. Hopefully Tahnee Welch is there to supervise.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Well Dave, At least the grey matter is still working!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's what scares me, I still don't get it.

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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 : 08:28:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 The Bone Docs say the most effective thing you can do to prolong life is stand on a board on a ball.. core body strength.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If I attempted that....it would shorten my life considerably.....

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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 : 14:25:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">That's what scares me, I still don't get it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
In the movie 'Cocoon' All of the old guys swam in the pool with the alien pods and come out feeling like they are 20 again.

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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:06:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">That's what scares me, I still don't get it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
In the movie 'Cocoon' All of the old guys swam in the pool with the alien pods and come out feeling like they are 20 again.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks, one of the many movies I've not seen.

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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:27:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">That's what scares me, I still don't get it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
In the movie 'Cocoon' All of the old guys swam in the pool with the alien pods and come out feeling like they are 20 again.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks, one of the many movies I've not seen.
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John, really, you need to rent it. A good movie.

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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:32:00

Just did a 5 day July 4 trip, and pre-emptively took Aleve, starting the first morning of the trip, and took it each evening/morning. I felt great the entire time...stopped taking it yesterday morning, last day of the trip...and this morning felt like a wreck!! The product really works; stiff hips, sore lower back, tight shoulder...etc...when did I get this old???

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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:55:36

I was reading all of these posts and felling pretty good. I'm almost 64 and few aches and pains. Then on Friday went to my eye dostor who immediatly sent me tp Toledo for emmergency surgery to re attach a torm retina. I guess I wom't be sailing anytime soon

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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 : 22:30:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jerlim
 Just did a 5 day July 4 trip, and pre-emptively took Aleve, starting the first morning of the trip, and took it each evening/morning. I felt great the entire time...stopped taking it yesterday morning, last day of the trip...and this morning felt like a wreck!! The product really works; stiff hips, sore lower back, tight shoulder...etc...when did I get this old???

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Jerry,
I'm with you, I love the effect I get from Aleve (I always buy the generic naproxen sodium). My doctor & pharmacist have both suggested taking it with Tylenol (acetaminophen / Panadol) to gain from the "synergistic" effect of the drugs working together.

I just spent about six hours out sailing by myself today, I know I'm going to feel it in the morning.

Kevin, sorry to hear about your surgery, we're thinking about you. Hope the surgery went well, and you'll be back out on your boat soon.

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Response Posted - 07/09/2012 : 03:43:25

" Paracetamol toxicity is the foremost cause of acute liver failure in the Western world, and accounts for most drug overdoses in the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand"

I love advil. Don't like tylenol, except for the pain from flu/fever.

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Response Posted - 07/09/2012 : 11:24:45

Had to go Google that: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol"]Paracetamol on Wikipedia[/url].

Funny story (in retrospect, PITA when it happened). I was on a business trip to Berlin, came down with some bug on the flight over, spent a very uncomfortable hour or so in the airport in Copenhagen enroute. Got to the hotel and curled up in a ball when I wasn't visiting the bathroom. Called the front desk to ask if they could send up some Tylenol. They had no idea what I was talking about, and there really wasn't a language barrier, they'd just never heard of it. I finally worked up the energy to walk down to the concierge and ask where the nearest pharmacy was. Turns out there was one literally across the street. Walked over there and asked for some Tylenol...no clue. How about "acetaminophen"? Same response, I even spelled it for the pharmacist, who tried to look it up on her computer. Nada. WTF? How could Germany not have one of the most common drugs available? I ended up with aspirin (invented in Germany, they had plenty). About a week later I was visiting one of my best friends in England and told them the story. That's when I first heard of Panadol/Paracetamol, and they're identical to Tylenol/acetaminophen, it's just not called that out of the US and a few other places. Now I make sure to carry my own.

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Response Posted - 07/11/2012 : 10:26:18

<< foremost cause of acute liver failure in the Western world >>

Just shows you what wiki is all about.. "What is generally regarded as correct "

I'd say Rum is the foremost cause.....

Anyhoo... yep.. I'd watch that tylenol and alcohol combo..

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Response Posted - 09/22/2013 : 13:19:22

I thought I'd rekindle this subject. I now have a new best friend for life:

I did something to my knee a few months back, not sure what, but it started hurting all the time, especially walking down stairs or even downhill. Finally went to go see my bone doc, got an MRI, etc. Turns out I've got a "complex tear" to the meniscus, osteo arthritis, and general degeneration of the cartilage.

My doc is treating me with this brace (that I get to wear for the rest of my life apparently, he recommended I come up with a name for it). He's also injecting Supartz (hyaluronic acid, literally made from goo-ified ground up rooster's combs) which is supposed to stop the pain after 3-5 injections. He will inject me 1/wk for 5 weeks (2nd one is tomorrow), not looking forward to the injection (they're not fun), but my knee feels a bit better already, so I'm hopeful.

Wearing the brace on the boat is somewhat problematic, it really doesn't interfere with anything (so far), but I worry about it getting hung up on something when I'm moving around the boat, so I don't wear it when I'm sailing, unless I have a couple of crew to do stuff for me and I can just drive. This is fairly rare unless my friend & his son come with us to go crabbing, so I've just been taking it off.

So, here's the ironic bit, wearing the brace makes my back (which I started this thread with originally) feel better. Go figure. When the radiologist read the MRI, he commented on the obvious break I had on my fibula. Speculating with my bone doc, we think that the break was the genesis of all the pain & damage. The bone was never set, he felt that surgery at the time would have caused more damage, so he "casted" me in a wet suit leg & aluminum exoskeleton for a couple of months. So the new brace is designed to unload my knee directly above where the break occurred. We suspect that the break changed my gait, which wore on my knee, and the new angles affected my lower back, & voila, pain, injections, MRI's, braces, more injections, etc.

The brace is not a panacea, my back still hurts, but it feels looser. Being out on the boat makes it feel better, probably because of the thousands of tiny corrections to your balance. To that end I've gotten a BOSU ball (think balance ball on a board) and some heavy duty resistance bands. I'm not supposed to use them (or anything else to stress the knee) while I'm getting the injections, so they're just sitting around right now, but I do have encouragement to go sailing from the doc. I'm also not supposed to go down stairs either, but that's a bit difficult, we live in a two story house, and going down the steps into the boat's not a whole lot of fun either, but I can do both as long as I have something to hold on to.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2013 : 13:54:06

I was wondering if I had stumbled into the wrong forum...

I'll find some wood to knock on after I say I feel fortunate now only to have a few arthritic annoyances. I recommend a bicycle for low-impact, mild cardio, good knee-building recreation. Now all I have to do is follow my own recommendation...

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Response Posted - 09/22/2013 : 14:14:13

Yeah, bikes are out as well while I'm doing the injections. We actually have two bikes each, a couple of regular REI mountain bikes and a couple of folding bikes for the boat.

Once the injection series are over (mid October-ish), I can start doing stuff on the knee again.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2013 : 19:15:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 I thought I'd rekindle this subject. I now have a new best friend for life:

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Response Posted - 09/22/2013 : 20:15:56

Well, the idea is to not get a new knee, but to manage the pain in this one. I've read a bunch of studies on Supartz and it appears to have somewhere between 70%-95% efficacy depending on whose study you read. My doc says he's treated hundreds of patients with it with only five folks telling him it didn't work for them. The question is, how long? I've read where some people get a single series and they get years of relief, others get a few months out of a treatment, and still others others get little or no relief at all. If I fall into the last category, we'll re-evaluate. If it lasts for several months I'll be reasonably happy. With PT and the brace, perhaps I can get to a point where the chronic pain is manageable.

My insurance paid for all but $100 of the cost, so I'm figuring it's $20/shot and I'll gladly pay that if the pain goes away, or even gets reasonably manageable. It got so bad that simply going up stairs was a grunting effort, and coming down them was like grampa inching down trying to keep from gasping in pain each time I came down on the leg.

Imagine what that's like stepping down off the cabin into the cockpit on our boats and you can see why I'm a bit worried about it. I'd hate to have to sell the boat because I couldn't get around on it.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2013 : 08:52:32

I just now started reading this thread....I turned 75 in Jan. and had my right shoulder joint replaced( The Ball Part)in Feb.. following 3 months of P.T . in early June I came down with SHINGLES which showed up in my right upper chest and went around my body to the middle of my back .. MUCH PAIN Today I still am suffering with some pain in my right chest / armpit area .. The combination kept me from getting "ABOUT TIME" in the water this year:(:(:(:( I have decided to sell the boat , though have not put it on the market yet.. I have a Sunfish (DAVE) which will get more use next year..This year has been a real Bummer

Frank Law
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Response Posted - 09/23/2013 : 09:36:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Law
 ...I have a Sunfish (DAVE) which will get more use next year...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">To me, that's just about the purest form of sailing--that or a Laser. The responsiveness, acceleration, hiking, planing,... Can't beat it!

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Response Posted - 09/23/2013 : 10:56:48

I love my new knee after decades of various forms of therapy, injections, NSAIDs, and pain. Like my doc said, "For the first 10 weeks you'll wonder why you did it, and in three months you'll wonder why you waited so long." Generally it is 3 months to 80% recovery, completely functional for most activity, and about a year to maximal function. TKA is usually aimed at arthritic degeneration rather than cartilage/ligament injury, and chronic pain is as much of an indicator as loss of function. Now, if I could just get through the standing on one foot with my knee slightly flexed for 30 seconds with my eyes closed exercise.

I'm not sure that I could have done that before.

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