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Derek Crawford
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Initially Posted - 09/22/2012 : 12:08:27

Alas, This Side Up's sailing days are over. We pulled the boat this week and found two large areas of delamination under the cockpit (where the back of the hoist sits), plus several other supicious areas.
The surveyor says the cost to repair would be much more than she's worth....so we are now boatless.
Judy is keen on getting a C22 which she can handle much easier, so maybe we'll go back to what we had originally.
BTW we did win the Precision 23 Nationals...
Anyone want to buy some great racing sails?

Derek Crawford
Chief Measurer C25-250 2008
Previous owner of "This Side UP"
1981 C-25 TR/FK #2262 Used to have an '89 C22 #9483, "Downsized"
San Antonio, Texas

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/22/2012 : 13:33:27

Oh my...

...and we never got T.S.U. on the same body of water with Confetti! We've lost a thoroughbred that made us all proud. ...and one of the all-time-great names! Will you re-use it?

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 09/22/2012 : 13:51:17

I'm not sure that "This Side Up II" has the same cachet!

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/22/2012 : 13:53:13

T.S.U "I" won't be around any more...

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 09/24/2012 : 22:41:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 Alas, This Side Up's sailing days are over.
Anyone want to buy some great racing sails?
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Derek,

Boy, what ups and downs all in one note! I was shocked and saddened about TSU!!!!! And I was quite pleased about you guys winning at the Precision Nats....Congrats!

Chuck

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 09/25/2012 : 09:45:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 We pulled the boat this week and found two large areas of delamination under the cockpit (where the back of the hoist sits), plus several other supicious areas.
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Derek, a followup question (if its not too painful to answer!)

Can you describe the delamination better? Was it in the "flat" run aft of the keel? How did you detect it? Was there anything that could have caused it that you know of (like damage from a hoist, etc.)

Since Confetti is 36 years old (what year was TSU?) and we still sail her pretty hard occasionally, its good to know what to look for..... When we hauled out in 2009 to put her on her trailer to move to Florida from Texas, the guy that was using the power washer kicked the side of the keel down low, and the keel rocked side to side a bit. I had never done that before so he did it for me a few more times, and it was obvious that hull was slightly flexing on both sides outboard of where the bilge turn is (there is no "Catalina smile" problem with the keel/hull joint, and the keel bolts are only a few years old and nice and tight). I "tapped" the hull all over the area that was flexing on both sides and it "seems" to sound the same as everywhere else, but???????????

Confetti does not have any athwartships "stringers" inside the hull in that area to stiffen the hull, so having the hull flex there does not surprise me given the moment arm that the keel/bilge has.

Thanks!!

Chuck

PS, what sails did you have for her? (I hesitate to ask since that sounds a bit "ghoulish".......)

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 09/25/2012 : 14:45:49

Hi Chuck,
There was an area of delamination on each side behind the keel, about 3' x 1'. Both areas had a slit about 6" long and on the stbd side there was about 1/16" between the water and the inside of the hull. In addition there was an area on each side behind the bow where the bunks on the hoist had gouged the fiberglass.
I have 4 sails from her. A full battened loose footed main with a very large roach (probably 20 sq.ft larger than a standard main), a very hitech 155% gernoa (cut to the last miliimeter of class rules), a light air 150% (it's actually stood up to 30 knots!) and a tri-radial bulletproof 100% jib. Some combination or other has won everything possible on the lake in the N-S Fleet.
Let me know if you have any interest.

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Response Posted - 09/25/2012 : 21:25:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 Hi Chuck,
There was an area of delamination on each side behind the keel, about 3' x 1'. Both areas had a slit about 6" long and on the stbd side there was about 1/16" between the water and the inside of the hull. In addition there was an area on each side behind the bow where the bunks on the hoist had gouged the fiberglass.
I have 4 sails from her. A full battened loose footed main with a very large roach (probably 20 sq.ft larger than a standard main), a very hitech 155% gernoa (cut to the last miliimeter of class rules), a light air 150% (it's actually stood up to 30 knots!) and a tri-radial bulletproof 100% jib. Some combination or other has won everything possible on the lake in the N-S Fleet.
Let me know if you have any interest.
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Ouch!!!! Sounds like it may have all been caused by a lift or how the boat was chocked up at some time. Confetti was crushed at the rail on both sides, forward of the forward lowers by about 2 ft by a hoist that did not have a spreader bar for the forward strap. However, I was able to repair it structurally, but never got the gel coat to match or stay repaired correctly. Sorry to hear about the damage..... It does sound like it would be repairable however, but it would be a major repair for sure and probably not cost effective if you had to pay someone to do it.

Sails do sound interesting, especially the 100% jib (my 110 is 36 years old and in terrible shape) and the light air 150 (mine has delaminated, so for now my biggest jib is only a 140). My main is not a youngster any more, but but is also a loose footed main and still in good shape. The big roach and full battens sound interesting however. Would feel strange to use "store-bought" sails since I have always made my own....not to mention slightly ghoulish to take advantage of someone else's misfortune....

Can you contact me off line? CandCShaw "at" gmail "dot" com

Sure sorry about TSU.........

Chuck

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/26/2012 : 21:28:08

Derek,

Sorry to hear about TSU. It's always sad to hear of another one of these boats making her final sail!

Have you had anyone actually look at TSU and give you an estimate to repair the damage? Maybe it wouldn't be as bad as the surveyor thinks. Maybe Fred Lindsay could work some magic on her for a reasonable fee.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/27/2012 : 03:29:13

Sorry to hear about the boat damage, very easy to feel the loss with you...

It might be repairable yourself, with lots of time/effort, but I totally understand not wanting to put that work in, sounds like it'd be measured in days.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/19/2012 : 13:11:32

Very sorry to read about the damage to your boat. C-22 racing is very much alive and well!

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