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Initially Posted - 09/25/2012 : 15:37:07

My family has been refurbishing a 1980 C-25 purchased in Seattle January of 2012.

The PO had thoughts of flipping it but the moorage fees and his lack of time precluded that goal so my son (in Washington) looked at it and my daughter (in North Carolina) purchased it. It is now moored two slips down from my H466 in Bremerton, Wa. It came with a main, 110 and a 155 jib in decent shape, marine head, Force 10 bhd mounted heater, original princess stove, pop top with unused cover, dodger, tiller cover, 9.9 Mariner 2 stroke long shaft, shore power, two 110v outlets. All that gear worked. My son did a really good job looking over the boat, no soft spots, rig was good, motor ran on first pull. My son motored it from Seattle to Brownsville (I escorted) in January, we sailed it in February and numerous times since then. We have in no particular order;

1. Installed tiller clutch and it works great. Quality piece of gear.
2. Installed pacific blue jib bag
3. Trouble shot leak under port aft settee. It was a FW leak from bottom fitting on tank under stbd settee. After trips to three stores found the fitting at Lowes. And bailed 16 gallons of water from the boat twice. Don't want to go into the details.
4. Removed sink and the inop Whale Flipper pump. Now, here, simple does not necessarily mean easy. Replaced pump with dissimilar spare but existing water line too short by one inch. Ordered new pump but in meantime repaired existing and it works. Blew out sink drain line with hose nozzle and it drains freely now.
5. Cleaned galley and stove. Works great, doesn't look like it was ever used.
6. Pumped holding tank after fastening a 14" crescent wrench to the deck fitting key to unscrew the stubborn thing. Tank had obviously not been pumped in years. Ugh. Will coat with anhydrous lanolin.
7. Son cleaned toilet and it works fine.
8. Installed fastener on door under head sink so it would stay shut.
9. Used solvent to clean interior decks of previous resin spills.
10. Scrubbed cockpit, hull and waterline.
11. Reinstalled curtain between main cabin and head.
12. Installed new anchor hatch latch
13. Installed new gasket around forward hatch
14. Installed new battery
15. Rewired elec panel
16. Installed two new interior LED lights
17. Installed dual 12vdc ports
18. Rerouted manual bilge pump line. It was kinked 180 degrees under companionway ladder and would never have pumped.
19. Built and installed new table
20. Existing foam rubber cushions were good but wife made new navy blue covers for main cabin, stbd settee, quarter berth, v berth, and blue and white sailboat pattern covers for dinette
21. Cleaned and oiled teak
22. Rubbing compound and waxed cockpit
23. Built and installed new tiller
24. Purchased pacific blue cover for motor
25. Had dodger reconditioned
26. Cleaned and waxed topsides.
27. Tuned rig
28. Tightened lifelines
29. Found and caulked port chain plate which was cause of major persistent water leak.

Future projects include installing new fW pump, rubbing compound and wax hull, trouble shoot depth and speed gages, replace running lights, install vents in settees, get rid of swing keel klunk resecure bow eye. And probably much more.

My daughter is a West Point grad stationed in NC. She bought it, my son and I use it, and fix it. She loves to work on it and sail it the few times she can get home. I figure she is serving our country...this is a small way to say thanks for her service. She came home for a long weekend mid September so I am glad we accomplished what we did. I work in Coos Bay, Oregon and get home to Silverdale, Wa twice a month so the "maintenance" time is precious. Plus I am Fleet Captain of our Hunter Association of Puget Sound and that occupies some time as well.

Catalina Direct and this forum have been absolutely wonderful. And to top it all off, sailing the C-25 is a blast. Our daughter named her boat, "Chariots of Fire". Working on a suitable graphic for it.

Mike
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1981 Cat-25. sail number 2230
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/25/2012 : 18:05:45

Mike,
That's quite a list of improvements and repairs in a relatively short amount of time! Do you have any before & after pictures? Getting the head pumped out sounds like an awful job, glad mine has an easily removable Porti-potti instead.

We'd love to see some pictures, is your son on the forum as well?

Please thank your daughter for her service for me when you get a chance.

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Response Posted - 09/25/2012 : 21:05:23

Great work! ...and a great family project! It's always uplifting to hear of people bringing these old girls back to life!

You didn't mention the keel cable, its attachment, hose, and winch--these are critical components that are subject to catastrophic failure producing a lot more than 16 gallons--unless you never lift the keel (which I guess is a possibility).

As for the "never used" Princess stove (known here as the "curtain burner")--if you (she) plans ever to use it, I suggest losing it and picking up a portable butane unit, which starts with the push of a button, cooks like gas (which of course it is), doesn't flare up and burn the curtains, and stows away. Pressurized alcohol was a dubious idea that, given the cheap alternatives now, is simply obsolete.

Anyway, congratulations!

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Response Posted - 09/26/2012 : 06:32:44

The keel cable. Good point. When I first saw the boat (after purchase)I noted a very large opening in the forward dinette seat and obviously new fiberglass repairs just inboard of the holding tank. I had no idea what that was all about. Now after studying the topics in this forum and applying my novice maritime archaeology skills I think this is what happened. At some point in the recent past the cable failed with resulting major damage to the keel trunk. The boat was repaired as evidenced by the stout repair to the keel trunk, what appears to be a new keel cable, new hose around the cable trunk, and two shiney new SS hose clamps around the new hose. Soooo I think the repairs were done by the PO then the boat was sold to another fellow for a song who then thought he could flip it in short order for a tidy profit. Moorage at $200/month in downtown Seattle quickly discouraged him and he let it go for a very, very reasonable price. He just wanted the bleeding to stop. Most of our effort has been elbow grease. The boat I think had seen little use over the years as all the equipment seemed original but still in very good shape. Testimony to good design and production. There is a reason thousands of these have been built and sold over the years.

Good point on the Princess as well. I have a Coleman camp stove which I will see if it fits into the Princess space. We had an alcohol stove on our 1977 Colulmbia 8.7. After my wife lost some of her long hair, the curtains above the stove were singed, and even the fiberglass was discolored she refused to ever use it again.

I will pass thanks on to my daughter.

My son is not on the forum.

As soon as I get schooled by my children on how to transfer photos from Facebook to this forum I will do so. Again this forum is great. I have to be very careful in not loading up Chariots of Fire with roller fuling, autopilot, second battery, spinnaker...it is fun and very servicable just as is.

My wife asked me recently..."Now what about our boat". This weekend, I promise.

Mike

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Response Posted - 09/26/2012 : 07:21:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sailboat
 ...I have to be very careful in not loading up Chariots of Fire with roller fuling, autopilot, second battery, spinnaker...it is fun and very servicable just as is...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...although a roller furler will change your daughter's life!

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Response Posted - 10/11/2012 : 05:06:21

Mike,

Great list of maintenance and upgrades on your daughter's boat. I appreciate you taking the time to post it to this forum, from which I am learning a great deal as well.

I own a '80 SR/SK Traditional (Up North) and am engaged in similar activities. My objective is to get the boat outfitted for a week long trip to the Apostle Islands on Lake Superior in a couple of years, which also means I am looking for a moderately to well used Ford F250 Diesel with tow package.

Please keep posting on your and your daughter's progress with Chariots of Fire.

A link to my Catalina 25 Picasa photo album:
https://picasaweb.google.com/100045089259153475705/1980Catalina25?authuser=0& feat=directlink

Cheers,
Chris

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Response Posted - 10/11/2012 : 06:32:18

Oh my....! This is what I call the challenge.
I would run from this boat as fast as I could :-) But your boat seems to be well reincarnated.
Good luck and looking forward for more pictures.

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Response Posted - 10/11/2012 : 09:50:13

Last weekend I installed the new Flipper pump and a new water line from the tank to the galley Flipper pump. The old water line was really scrungy and with the new pump design about one inch too short. Based on previous bad experience with an alcohol stove and recommendations from this forum I have decided to donate the Princess stove to Davey Jones. The Princess stove will lift right off the gimble mechanism and I have a wood shelf to slide right in that space. The Coleman stove will sit on top of that shelf and the space beneath may be used for pots and pans. And we now have an American Flag mounted on the stern for proper underway etiquette. I have pictures to post...later. It is a fun boat. I saw on this forum a drawer mounted under the dinette table. Hmmm, that will be the next project.

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Response Posted - 10/11/2012 : 16:51:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sailboat
 Last weekend I installed the new Flipper pump and a new water line from the tank to the galley Flipper pump. The old water line was really scrungy and with the new pump design about one inch too short. Based on previous bad experience with an alcohol stove and recommendations from this forum I have decided to donate the Princess stove to Davey Jones. The Princess stove will lift right off the gimble mechanism and I have a wood shelf to slide right in that space. The Coleman stove will sit on top of that shelf and the space beneath may be used for pots and pans. And we now have an American Flag mounted on the stern for proper underway etiquette. I have pictures to post...later. It is a fun boat. I saw on this forum a drawer mounted under the dinette table. Hmmm, that will be the next project.
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And so it begins.

I love it! keep going! Before long you'll have a really seaworthy pocket yacht going!

sten

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Response Posted - 10/13/2012 : 08:42:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tomas Kruska
 Oh my....! This is what I call the challenge. I would run from this boat as fast as I could :-) But your boat seems to be well reincarnated. Good luck and looking forward for more pictures.
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Tom,

I wasn't sure if you were referring to my pics or Dave's list but I thought I would say that I have come a long way with my boat, and am hooked. I have completed scrubbing the boat down and am slowly putting her back together, including upgrades as I move along. It will continue to be a slow process but I look forward to it. (I was initially shocked as I thought I was receiving a "serviceable" boat based on communications with my folks, who passed the boat on to me after 18 years of ownership. I have since recovered and am moving forward.)

I took her out a few times this year and really enjoyed sailing her... which was the best advice I got from this forum;e.g., "go sailing." Being new to the tradition and culture of sailing I am also scouring The Annapolis Guide to Seamanship, and have learned a great deal already. I am using my hyper-focus skills to get up to speed quickly on the subject matter.

I will continue to use the forum for information, and try to contribute what I can as I complete my own projects.

Cheers,
Chris

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Response Posted - 10/22/2012 : 14:19:26

This weekend I pulled the Princess stove and placed a shelf that matches the new table in that spot. The stove lifted right off the gimble supports and then I realized that the entire SS insert was not fastened to the boat. That slipped right out as well. I took the stove home and it worked just as advertised...if the burners were properly pre heated. It did flare up if not done correctly. YIKES.

I put our Coleman two burner camp stove on the shelf and the pots underneath in the now vacant space beneath the stove. I will install a couple of fiddle boards to keep the pots in place.

The Coleman stove, while it fits perfectly, the regulator and propane bottle are really awkward. Origo has a nice two burner non pressurized alcohol stove for $200+. A little spendy. What is the verdict on the butane stoves and where does one obtain the butane?

Thanks.

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Response Posted - 10/22/2012 : 16:58:03

I started out by replacing the curtain burner with an Origo. It did OK, was very safe (no possibilities of flaring, leaking, or exploding gas), and is probably less expensive to operate than butane if you do a lot of cooking, although very pricey initially. I now have a Kenyon Express II ($30 at Defender) and can get cartridges at Defender, True Value, camping stores, and Amazon (as low as 12 for $12.)

It has been said that butane doesn't work well when its "cold"... I don't know how cold, and haven't experienced the problem, but I'm a pretty much a fair-weather cruiser.

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Response Posted - 10/23/2012 : 07:23:55

Thanks. I will give that Kenyon model a look. $30 sounds very reasonable. The temps around Puget Sound sometimes drop below freezing but not for very long so perhaps the "cold" problem will not be a problem.

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Response Posted - 10/23/2012 : 12:41:05

Butane stops working well a bit above freezing because the cylinders will drop below ambient temperature as gas is removed from them. I know from backpacking that butane/propane mixes can work well in Puget Sound, but pure butane isn't that great.

I really like the Origo stoves. They aren't fast, but they work very nicely with good pans (cast iron for sauteing and frying), are very safe, and fuel is easy to find and cheap. They are also easy to find used, if you are in Seattle check with Second Wave or the semi-annual Fisheries Supply swap meets. You can probably find one for around $100.

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Response Posted - 10/23/2012 : 16:10:47

Hmmm. There is a Force 10 bhd mounted heater that is also alcohol powered. Having an Origo would reduce the need to carry a different fuel source. Things could get complicated with a butane powered stove, alcohol powered bhd heater, propane BBQ and a two stroke outboard. Alcohol is probably easier to obtain than butane as well.

Thanks for the info.

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Response Posted - 10/23/2012 : 17:25:06

My primary stove is a single burner Coleman white gas stove. A gallon of gas lasts a long time and the can is sealed so you don't have to worry about leaks or fumes. My backup stove is a butane dual burner stove and it works well down to 40F (5C). I don't have a cabin heater so I don't worry about propane.
I use gasoline for the engine, white gas for the camp stove and butane canisters for the backup stove. I've got a safe storage location for each fuel and since they are very inexpensive I can stay stocked up all season for about $20 for my stoves.
I like having a backup because I went overnighting with my wife and my stove decided to quit working. It was quite an ordeal getting hot coffee, toast and eggs that day and I swore it would never happen again!

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Response Posted - 10/24/2012 : 04:13:01

If you have never used the butane you owe yourself the experience. It rocks. Hot is not the word. I use the stove and keep it in the box it came in and it stows well under the port side of the forward v-berth with the standard square throwable life preserver/seat which keeps it from rattling around. Then the area where the stove was holds a cooler. The extra can of butane in the starboard aft fantail compartment.

Anyhoo.. the butane gets Really Hot fast, so I will often put a towel down on the floor just outside the companionway and put the stove on that and use a medium size cast iron skillet. The butane gets so hot the cast iron distributes the heat well. Often it is a turn on the gas full blast and then cut it off and the skillet keeps on cookin. Also if any real wave hit me it would spill outside the main cabin ..Especially true for a pot of hot water for coffee.....

Just sharing.. Sounds like you have a great boat/s.. and thanks for showing us your progress.

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Response Posted - 10/24/2012 : 10:05:42

Thanks for the tip on "Second Wave". Will have to keep that resource in mind. Fisheries Supply has a very nice SS butane stove by Seaward. I am inclined to try that route first. I suppose if it is too cold to use the butane stove it is too cold to go sailing. LOL. I could keep the dehumidifier that runs constantly in the winter (shore power benefit) next to the stove and the canister should maintain the proper temp. Also light off the Bhd heater, which works very well and that would help too.

And the dodger was recently completely restitched and two new zippers installed for the front window.

Now, back to the drawer that will fit under the dinette table.

At some point I will have to deal with the "keel klunk" and the interior fiberglass repair required on the forward settee.

My wife is happy that last weekend on our boat I made a removable panel that renders access possible to the Adler Barbour Refigerator and Freezer units intake fins. Dust bunnies galore on those fins.

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Response Posted - 10/24/2012 : 13:47:48

Hi Sailboat---- I have a 83 swing keel .. I had a clunk when lowering the keel .. Turned out to be an elongated keel pivot pin hole in the keel.. When the keel was lowered the keel slipped in the hole from one position to another .. I ended up having a custom built keel pin which was about 5 / 16 bigger in diameter where it passed through the keel , but first filled in several areas with epoxy.. I did this repair in 2010 and have not heard the clunk since

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Response Posted - 10/24/2012 : 14:06:27

There is also a used boating store in Poulsbo that is pretty decent and closer to Bremerton. It is about 20% of the size of Second Wave. I don't remember what it is called, but it is a couple of blocks south of the port on the main shopping street.

Second Wave sometimes has teak drawers and frames for sale for good prices. That would make it easier to build that table drawer.

You have to watch prices at Second Wave. For some items (anchors, blocks) their prices are barely better than new discount pricing at Fisheries supply. For others (winch handles, sometimes sails) they can be much much cheaper.

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Response Posted - 10/24/2012 : 15:50:49

Thanks for the info on the keel klunk and the store in Poulsbo. I have been there several times and picked up a few things. Working in Coos Bay, Oregon and being that 7-8 hours from the boats I tend to forget the local assets.

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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 11:58:23

I am looking for feedback on the Catalina Direct drawer that mounts under the dinette table. Specifically is there enough leg clearance when getting in and out of the dinette and is there a latching mechanism? I built a small drawer then noticed the one in Catalina Direct that is much much larger.

Thanks.

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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 15:00:36

I was at Second Wave over the weekend and checked for drawers based on this thread. They had two suitable ones that were $18 complete, including drawer slides. They didn't have a lock, but it would be trivial to add an elbow lock (you can get two of those for about $5).

The drawers weren't as huge as the CD one, but would easily hold cutlery, writing instruments, and a notebook, which is what I'd use them for.

Sadly Second Wave had none of what I was looking for...

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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 16:10:25

Alex, thanks. I'll see how the 16" x 9" x 3" drawer now fashioned works when I next see the boat November 9-11. The CD drawer looks like it could be a real knee knocker.

My wife finished recovering the last cushion, the dinette filler. Have to post some pictures someday. It is looking very nice.

Thanks again. Mike

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Response Posted - 11/09/2012 : 22:55:35

Installed the drawer under the dinette table. Just big enough for wallets, keys, and cell phones. Also installed a hold back strap for the door between the main cabin and head. Will make an icebox top with white formica on the top and bottom to lighten up the galley area.

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Response Posted - 11/13/2012 : 12:25:59

Hopefully this will link to some photos of our work on Chariots of Fire since purchasing her mid January of this year.

http://catalina25chariotsoffire.shutterfly.com/

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