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mroettersr
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Initially Posted - 10/09/2012 : 21:44:59

Hello,
Somewhere along the line I recall seeing an explanation of the hull number breakdown - i.e. sail number, boat year, tall rig/standard rig, keel type. Does anyone have this information? I'm just curious as I wonder if my boat was shipped as a tall rig back in 1983. It is clearly after nearly 40 years a standard. Perhaps it is like us senior citizens. We shrink as time goes on.

Mike Roetter
'83 C25 #3568 SK/SR
Marblehead on Lake Erie

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/10/2012 : 04:49:11

I don't think the HIN will tell you if it was a tall rig at birth. The "CTY" at the beginning refers to Catalina Yachts The next 5 digits refer to the hull (not sail) number of the boat. The final four characters are codes which refer to the month and year the hull was laid.

Here's a handy-dandy reference: http://www.nordicaboats.com/html/hin-numbers.html

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/10/2012 : 05:36:07

If you call Catalina Yachts and give them your hull number, they will tell you almost anything you want to know about the specifics of the original order.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/10/2012 : 06:34:06

CTY = Catalina Yachts
K = C-25 (all rigs and keels)
0123 = hull #123
M = the following 3 characters are the Manufacture date
77 = 1977
F = January (A = August, B=Sept...)

The date format (last 4 characters) changed in 1984.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/10/2012 06:39:59

awetmore
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Response Posted - 10/10/2012 : 22:45:24

It seems unlikely that your mast and rigging would have been changed out, including full sail changes. In most cases it would be cheaper to sell the boat and get another one. What makes you think it would have been a tall rig earlier?

The tall rig attaches to different holes in the chainplates than the standard rig. You could check to see if there is any visible wear in the outer holes (used for tall). However I've seen plenty of standard rig boats with the upper shrouds mounted to the outer holes instead of the inner ones as they came from the factory, so that wouldn't be a sure thing.

When I bought my boat I didn't know if it was tall or standard. The best way to measure was with the mast down, but running a tape measure up the halyard (tie on a messenger line too) did the trick well enough for me.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 10/11/2012 : 06:13:55

Maybe not Alex...

A cruiser in a club is complaining that he is always over-canvassed, a racer feels that a higher mast will give him an edge. On a 20 yo boat, the sails could need replacing anyways.

Both sailors negotiate a swap and in an afternoon, 2 boats have switched.

Similarly, someone loses a mast due to a forestay failure/hurricane/crane accident. All that is available nearby is the opposite rig. It would be cheaper to accept the opposite rig and get used sails than order a mast from Selden Spars. You take what you can get.

There is at least one modern (1980's) boat in my marina with a homemade wooden mast. The guy figured it would be cheaper to go that way than to order a new mast when his failed.

Sailors are creative and inventive. they aren't going to let a rigging failure get in their way, and they will experiment to see what works best for them. Swapping a rig (and not necessarily with another boat of the same model) isn't all that uncommon.

I am interested in your comment about which rig attaches to which holes in teh chainplates though - I hadn't heard that before, and it makes sense. Is it in one of the diagrams someplace for future reference (this is the sort of thing I will ponder every spring when I lift the mast now)?

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 10/11/2012 : 16:50:27

Just an FYI: USCG is now seeking comments on what information should be included in a revision of the HIN. Maybe rig type, keel type, should be included. Too late for our current boats, but for posterity.
Check on USCG.mil for more info.…

Edited by - Voyager on 10/11/2012 16:53:03

Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/11/2012 : 16:57:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Voyager
 Just an FYI: USCG is now seeking comments on what information should be included in a revision of the HIN. Maybe rig type, keel type, should be included...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...for all types of boats--power, sail, auxiliary sail, and who knows what else.

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mroettersr
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Response Posted - 10/13/2012 : 19:22:19

Hello,
When I purchased this boat in 2001, the previous owner listed it as a tall rig. The boat was in nice condition and the survey was very positive - so I bought it. When I measured for a new genoa,walla, it measured out as a standard rig. The boat was purchased new in Houston, moved to the back waters of Louisiana and finally to Marblehead, Ohio where I purchased it from a retired USCG ship inspector. As you might expect, some goofy things were done to the boat over the years (DPO's?) and I often wondered if the boat had been changed from a tall to standard rig. I appears she was at one time set up to fly a spinnaker and I wondered if she had been raced hard and perhaps dis-masted - hence the rig change. Who knows? The bottom line is that the boat sails great as she is and gives great pleasure to her 69 year old skipper and the 71 year old admiral. Thanks for the good discussion.

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