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ClamBeach
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Initially Posted - 01/21/2003 : 15:36:24

The halyards on my restoration project boat are in dire need of replacement. (not from use, but from baking in the sun)
I noticed that they are 'hybrid' wire and rope type.

Appreciate any thoughts/advice on the notion of replacing them with all line (high-tech low stretch stuff) versus keeping the current line/wire arrangement.

Advice on a good source for replacement halyards is also appreciated... especially if staying with the hybrid type... West Marine, Boats US (now the same outfit) etc..

TIA

CB

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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jsummerfield
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 16:04:27

Also about halyards, there was a mention of running the halyards through the mast, perhaps in conduit. Please advise what size and type of conduit such as 1" PVC, EMT, etc. Until I see the boat, I cannot picture where the halyard woulld exist the mast near the bottom. Does the mast have to be drilled and a gromet installed?

John

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 16:10:34

When I aquired North Star, one of the things at the top of the list was the replacement of the original worn wire/rope halyards. Converting to all rope halyards is rather easy, but keep in mind that the masthead sheaves are a different size, but there is a secret source for the right ones(I'll look for those later).

In the mean time, check out this link to a all rope halyard conversion. Click on "masthead" when you get to the link.

http://home.attbi.com/~c25sailor/projects.html

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 16:30:50

John,
For internal halyards, you don't run them through conduit. You run the mast electrical wiring through conduit.

There are generally two ways for the halyards to exit the mast. You can buy exit blocks that you mount at the bottom (or near the bottom) of the mast. You have to cut a hole for this. The second method would be to drill/cut an elongated hole 4-6 feet up from the bottom of the mast. File the top and bottom to facilitate a smooth exit for the halyard, or buy exit plates to place in the elongated hole.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 16:56:07

As John mentioned, conduit is for the mast wiring and slots are cut for the halyard exits, in which a plate or block can be installed.

Exit Plate
<img src="http://www.sailnet.com/store/prodimage/160x160/sea081010.gif" border=0>

Single Exit Block
<img src="http://www.sailnet.com/store/prodimage/160x160/ronrf1017.gif" border=0>

Additionally, the masthead needs to be drilled out to allow the halyards to drop down through the masthead.

<img src="http://c25c250.best.vwh.net/restricted/inthaldr.gif" border=0>

Here is a link to the Tech Tips article on internal halyards.
http://c25c250.best.vwh.net/restricted/nyinthal.html

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/21/2003 : 20:52:40

Thanks for the link(s)... exactly what I needed to find.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 01/23/2003 : 20:40:26

The Catalina Direct catalog has a very reasonable video which describes a variety of improvements, including that of installing in--mast halyards, shows exactly how to do it, and as a bonus has a bunch of other tips, I recommend it, Godspeed, ron srsk 1981 Orion SW FL

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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 16:48:19

Catalina Direct also sells high-tech all-rope halyards and sheaves, but the diameter of their sheaves for external halyards is too small--the halyards rub on the masthead casting. Our "secret" Long Island source custom-makes the right size sheaves. He's a secret because I can only remember that he's at Belpat Marine (I think), but he does a nice job for a small price. (Check the archives.) If you go internal, you don't need him--CD has the right size.

Regarding the exits for internal halyards, I'd be very reluctant to not use an exit block or at least an exit plate on the opening--even if you file it "smooth", the aluminum mast wall is going to wear the line as it turns on that edge. And if you're running the lines out to organizers and back to the cockpit, you want to minimize friction.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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IndyJim
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 00:44:28

I did the wire/rope to all rope halyard conversion at the end of last season. I ordered those fantastic sheaves that Don mentioned above. He turned me on to a guy who fabricates them just for C-25's. They were relatively cheap and fit perfectly. I'm looking forward to the all rope halyards with no "meat hooks" this season. Thanks for the great information Don!

Next step: Mast Gates!

Shoveling snow and dreaming of warm temps....

IndyJim
84 SK/TR

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 01:14:12

Your welcome, Indy.

Frank Rich was the one who found a source for the custom made masthead sheaves(for rope, not wire). The sheaves were made by Ed from Bellpat Marine on Long Island NY 631 286-8368.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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