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putzmeister
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Initially Posted - 01/16/2013 : 11:20:18

Hans Christian 38T

They say that similar boats are listed online for >$100K, but what do they sell for?

If only this was listed for a longer period of time!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1981-Hans-Christian-38T-Cutter-Rig-Diesel-As-is-project-/290843027414?pt=Sailboats&hash=item43b79867d6

1989 C25
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Response Posted - 01/16/2013 : 11:47:59

I think the key term in the entire ad is "As is project". I haven't looked through all the photos, but I'd imagine it might be more than some of us might want to chew.

Edit: OK, I couldn't resist, I went & looked through all the pictures. The deck is what scares me the most. I have a friend who had to tear off his entire teak deck from his roughly the same size cutter, and it was a nightmare for them. He was buying epoxy by the 55 gallon drum for that trip to the yards. I think they were in the yard for 3 months removing the deck and balsa coring underneath, then putting down new deck literally everywhere. No thanks. If the deck & hull were sound on this one (and that's a big if judging by the state of the woodwork), it'd probably be worth a couple of years of refit to make it an ocean going vessel again.

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Response Posted - 01/16/2013 : 12:35:22

Ha! I'd rather do a refit on that vessel than buy a bleach bottle boat! That is a proven world cruiser. Real decks do represent possible challenges, but if the decks are reasonably solid, it is probably cosmetic and not structural. This time of year is when the best deals come up. I'd say this would be at most a few months in terms of refit.

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Response Posted - 01/16/2013 : 18:09:30

Man that cockpit.....some real elbow grease, sanding and varnishing....that cockpit would be stunningly beautiful!

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Response Posted - 01/16/2013 : 18:25:23

http://bluewaterboats.org/hans-christian-38-traditional/

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Response Posted - 01/16/2013 : 19:49:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Ha! I'd rather do a refit on that vessel than buy a bleach bottle boat! That is a proven world cruiser. Real decks do represent possible challenges, but if the decks are reasonably solid, it is probably cosmetic and not structural. This time of year is when the best deals come up. I'd say this would be at most a few months in terms of refit.

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Oh, I agree, and if the deck is reasonable condition, someone looks to get a pretty good deal. That boat has the potential to be a world cruiser again. If you could pick it up for < $30-40k, drop another $20-30k in maintenance and upgrades along with some elbow grease & sweat equity, you could have a very-very-very nice boat to retire onto.

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Response Posted - 01/16/2013 : 20:50:31

B.O.A.F. Break Out Another Fifty (large)! That possibly could be a $100K boat, but it'll probably take more than $100K to get there, and until you do, it's about what the current bidding suggests. It appears everything is original to 1981, and you have to suspect little to none of it has been properly maintained. (Oh wow--they kept the sails covered!) Start with the 60 hp diesel--a nice little re-power...

The deck

... The cutter rig, sails, electrical, electronics,... all the stuff we talk about here, multiplied by some big number. If your budget is less than $150K, this one could very possibly do you in.

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Response Posted - 01/16/2013 : 22:11:47

Those Hans Christians are stoutly built. Been on a few. I still stand behind my assessment Dave. My 1973 C&C 39 is not as stoutly built as she is an old ior racer, and she has held up well. All the HC's I have been on do have cosmetic issues, but are very strong with no leaks and virtually nothing wrong with them even though they have sat at a dock for years. There was a pair of them at my old marina in St. Pete and neither of them has moved in 5-8 years or more. If this was a BendyToy, a Hunter,a Catalina, or even a C&C, I would be inclined to agree. A set of used sails from Bacon, a drop in kubota if needed, and some elbow grease and she would be ready. All used boats have issues. Most bleach bottles leave the factory with issues that make them near coastal at best. If you have never inspected one up close, you probably are letting the pics tell the tale.

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Response Posted - 01/17/2013 : 09:13:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...very strong with no leaks and virtually nothing wrong with them even though they have sat at a dock for years. There was a pair of them at my old marina in St. Pete and neither of them has moved in 5-8 years or more.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...which is apparently what this one has been doing. But if you wanted to actually sail her over the horizon,... The fiberglass is probably very "stout" (as indicated by her displacement), the teak trim might be restorable, the teak deck might not be leaking and rotting (but probably is). But then you get to the (probably) 32-year-old stuff that makes her work..... Elbow grease might not be enough.

No movement on the bid, less than a day to go, reserve not met...

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Response Posted - 01/17/2013 : 17:00:44

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Ebay is usually a good tool for determining true market value - which the seller is about to discover. Perhaps the listing is to settle delinquent slip fees - hence the high (and wishful thinking) reserve. May have become a real burden for the owner(s).

7 days does not do justice for the boat. You need to give interested parties more time to travel to Norfolk to kick the tires and arrange an inspection.

Great example of wrong timing. When we were at an age where we had the physical endurance to cross an ocean - we didn't have the money or time. Then, snot-nosed kids, now, snot-nosed grandkids.

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Response Posted - 01/18/2013 : 17:37:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...very strong with no leaks and virtually nothing wrong with them even though they have sat at a dock for years. There was a pair of them at my old marina in St. Pete and neither of them has moved in 5-8 years or more.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...which is apparently what this one has been doing. But if you wanted to actually sail her over the horizon,... The fiberglass is probably very "stout" (as indicated by her displacement), the teak trim might be restorable, the teak deck might not be leaking and rotting (but probably is). But then you get to the (probably) 32-year-old stuff that makes her work..... Elbow grease might not be enough.

No movement on the bid, less than a day to go, reserve not met...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah...

My vessel is older than that and very bluewater capable. Again, I'd rather have an older well found vessel than a crappy POS bleach bottle no matter what the woes. The sea, she is a tough mistress. When you are out there bouncing around trying to figure out whether to ask Budha, L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, or the Pope for assistance, you will hopefully be on a neglicted HC instead of a new shiny BendyToy. Personal preference based on a lot of sea miles...

sten
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