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Bryan Beamer
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Initially Posted - 01/24/2003 : 10:45:28

I've seen alot of you thru pictures you have posted on this forum and it is nice to have a face to go with a name. I just learned how to post pictures so here are a few of me & Daylight Again.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df05b3127cce93a9be2fc8c30000001410" border=0>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df05b3127cce93a99f8c09d80000001410" border=0>

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Bryan Beamer
Daylight Again
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OJ
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 11:14:44

Hey Bryan!

We certainly make for a motley bunch, don't we <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> ?

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:25:00

Nice pictures! But you forgot one! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df05b3127cce93a99fbf88db0000001410" border=0>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 10:57:52

Since Don and Buzz both helped us/me with directions on how to post pictures I figured I had better get around to doing it. Thanks to both for such good directions, it is quite easy. So here is another couple of faces to the names. The admiral and I at Cedar Point Marina (will have to get ok from the CMDR to post her pic).
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df04b3127cce9456ef2480d50000000010" border=0>

Opps looks like I will have to figure out how to get full sized pics.
Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 11:36:20

Hey Bryan,

That's a sweet looking 250.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df02b3127cce93a25db8a3670000001410" border=0>

Let's splice the main brace. Or on the BIG LOU, "let's change the oil".<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Paul
Soon to return to the dark side<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 13:05:44

"Opps looks like I will have to figure out how to get full sized pics." - Ray

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df04b3127cce9456ef2480d50000000010" border=0>

Ray,

It looks like you copied the address of the thumbnail of your picture and not the full image. Next time, when you are at shutterfly, click on the photo to bring it up, then copy the address(URL). Here it is.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df04b3127cce9456ef2480d50000001410" border=0>

This is North Star pulling duty as a clothesline while at Cedar Point during our summer vacation.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2d904b3127cce9f7cda3e9f450000001410" border=0>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 19:25:10

Ray,

Was that picture taken during the All Catalina Fleet from Blookville Lake's yearly trip to Erie?

When I use to be a Brookville as a kid, that was the highlight of the week long trip. The 2 day stay a Ceder Point.

Bryan Beamer
Daylight Again
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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 01/25/2003 : 21:13:02

Don I kinda figured that I grabbed the address for the thumbnail instead of the photo itself, I didn't have time to try other things - still don't. Thanks Don.

Bryan the Brookville Lake Sailing Association doesn't do that anymore or at least not this year, my first. I actually didn't have much time to make any of the functions this last year, as I was at a mooring in Fairfield and most functions are at Hanna Creek. Most of my sailing last season was during the late afternoon weekdays (usually had lake to ourselves), when the admiral and I could sneak out, leaving the CMDR behind, cause somebody had to work! This year I am at Hanna Creek, not too far down the dock from Steve Milby, and will probably attend more BLSA functions. The yearly trip to Erie would be a season highlight, it was ours last summer. If you haven't been to the Cedar Point Marina in a while you would probably be surprised. I think they renovated it a few years back and it is really a class act.

I noticed in your picture that you have what looks like your vang block on your backstay. Do you use that to rake your mast? I guess it can also be used to loosen the backstay for mast raising and lowering. Loosening that darn turnbuckle on the backstay is one of the things that really slows me down when raising and lowering the mast. I was told that the turnbuckle had to be loosened an inch or so to facilitate removal/placement of the pin on the furler. My goal this year is to do as many things as possible to speed up the rigging, the crew really looses interest during this phase.

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/26/2003 : 11:15:43

Ray,

Have not been to Cedar Point in a long time, too long to remember when it really was. Haven't been to Brookville Lake since 1990. My dad no longer sails there and I don't get back to the Cinti area much any more.

I do want to vist the lake again. It was a big part of my childhood. Seemed like I was there every summer weekend from 1974-1986 lots of wonderful memories. Back then Hanna Creek didn't even have a marina. I remember meeting Steve Milby back when he sailed a c22 and his son wasn't around yet. Okay enough rambling.

Your question:

The 4 to 1 is the backstay adjuster, used for sail trimming, it doesn't rake the mast, it will bend the top part of the mast backwards when applied. It works well on the wk rig. I don't have to loosen the back stay at all when standing the mast. The back stay in it's normal state is more loose than the rest of the standing rigging. I don't know if the adjuster will have the same effect on the water ballast since the standing rigging is different.

That would be a question for Arlyn. Looking at his pictures he has a backstay adjuster on his wb.

Bryan Beamer
Daylight Again
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/26/2003 : 12:48:26

The standing rigging on the two boats is essentially the same. The shrouds on the wing were moved inboard after the first wing owners complained of sheeting struggles. The center board version now has its shrouds inboard as well though I don't know the reason for the change.

As I commented in another post, a backstay adjuster is not as effective on aft raked spreaders as it should not be employed while running the main. Doing so, moves the mast head aft and loosens the uppers and therefor relaxes the spreader effort at holding the center of the mast forward with reverse bend the consequence.

It is however very effective at firming the jib up during a breeze. The reason I run one is to fudge on settup time. I run my rig looser than the c250 (aft raked spreader system) was designed for. The design basically doesn't offer an on the fly change from tight to loose such as is available on the C22, C25 etc. having forward lowers and straight spreaders.

My rig is tuned where the headstay can be pinned by really honking on the gin pole with the backstay disconnected. Then the backstay barely able to be pinned. No turnbuckle adjustments are required. But... its a power setup and too loose for a breeze.

In a breeze, I employ a temporary baby stay (I call it a running baby stay, with running meant to connote part of the running rigging rather than the course for which used) to firm the rig up. It's purpose is to relieve the spreaders of the task of holding the center of the mast forward (like the forward stays do on a C25). This allows use of the backstay tensioner with the main to both depower the jib and the main.

Again...all this is probably a cruising item. Most c250's should accept the design limitations and be set up for firm which unfortunately on a trailer sailor means extra turnbuckle time. But, this can be limited by only doing the shrouds on one side and writing on the bronze barrels the turns with a marks a lot. That way one always knows which side and how many turns to tighten or loosen.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/26/2003 : 14:10:51

Arlyn

As you stated until this years verson of the c250 the wb shrouds were outboard & the wk inboard.

The question:
What is the difference? On the wk the upper shroud angle from the spreader to the chain plate is straight down. The wb chain plates are about 2" to 4" (I never measured them so I'm guessing)farther out, so is the shroud angel from the spreaded to the chain plate different or does the wb have longer spreader to make the shrouds go straight down?

If the speaders are longer by 2" to 4" then the spreaders aft rake angle off the mast would be less than the wk. Unless the wb chain plates are outboard and farther aft, then the aft rake of the longer spreaders would be the same.

Bryan Beamer
Daylight Again
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/26/2003 : 20:13:22

I don't know what if any differences exist in the spreaders.

Also, it occured to me today, that the reason the w/b shrouds moved inboard might be related to the revelation that the w/b now uses the same deck mold as the wing.

If there are a few inches of difference between the chain plates on the two boats is interesting?

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 01/26/2003 : 21:33:56

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>The reason I run one is to fudge on settup time. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Arlyn when you say fudge on set up time what do you mean?

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 18:46:38

Ray... having the backstay tensioner allows the rig to be run at a tension where the mast can be stepped without turnbuckle adjustments. It requires really honking down on the gin pole when setting the forestay pin however.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 12:41:47

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Bryan,

The above photo was taken on Tony and Lee Hayden's C-27, who I'm sure you remember. Most of the old crowd are retired and living in Florida with homes and/or boats. Brookville Lake is still a great place to sail and recreate, but it'll never be as good as when the lake was new and you guys and the other pioneers were there.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 12:52:11

The above photo was taken on Tony and Lee Hayden's C-27 ...

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554


'Glad you cleared that up Steve ... I couldn't figure out how anyone got a C-25 to look like that ... 'nice boat!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 18:49:35

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the picture. Yes, I remember Tony & Lee. Their yougest daughter Nicole was one of my Fairfield Marina dock buddies.

I often wondered what as happened to the founding fathers of the BLSA.

I still recall one my favorate memories of Brookville. I think it was 1985 or 86 the c-25 nationals were held at Brookville. Ray Myers and his wife(I can remember her name) were your crew that weekend.(isn't that the year you won it). That left Jeff Myers, Matt Branch and myself all weekend to sail the Myers' U.S. 22. What could be better 3 teenagers sailing without any parents.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

If I ever get to the Cincy area during sailing season.(seems like every time I'm back there it's winter) I want to make it a point to go and take another look at my old weekend home. When this happens I will look you "old timers" up and come to Hanna Creak for a visit

Bryan Beamer
Daylight Again
C250wk #495

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